Herbal regimens for partial feminization

[Pel2 (imported)]

Hi, first time posting here I guess...

Anyway, I'm what you would call a hypogonadal androgyne, and I'm trying to further reduce my almost non-existant libido and feminize for physical androgynity. I'm currently taking Saw Palmetto, Black Cohosh, Dong Quai and Wild Yam (3000mg/day of each, all are from GNC).

Are there any other good herbals to be taking? My goals are to eliminate testosterone and libido, stop or reduce body hair, (hopefully) shrink genitalia, and breast growth would be good too.

It would be a plus if it could be bought in a store, although online is ok as a second option.

Thanks all!

[happousai (imported)]

http://www.myevanesce.com/

I've been using their Evanesce product (which contains testosterone blockers) for a while now, which has all but eliminated my unwanted spontaneous erections. They also have Feminol, which helps with breast development.

[Glenda J (imported)]

Another product you may find useful is Estrologic. It contains many of the things you say you are now taking. I might add that black cohosh is the only one with a good track record from the scientific medicine point of view.

http://www.kyolic.com/html/products/log ... ologic.htm

Another avenue you might want to explore is natural progesterone cream. It can be purchased in the same kind of stores that sell other herbal products. That is, it is over the counter. What I suggest is purchasing a book on the subject and reading up.

Glenda J

[Glenda J (imported)]

Happousi, thanks for the reference. As an interesting aside, I met Lynn Conway several years ago in connection with her work with Carver Mead. The writeup on her was interesting. Anyway, I didn't see the ingrediant list for Evanesce. Apparently they want you to buy some first to get the list.

Do you have it? I am curious as to what is in it.

Glenda J

[Pel2 (imported)]

Hi Glenda

The ingredients of Evanesce can be found here:

http://www.myevanesce.com/evan_ingred.html

The ingredients for Feminol can be read too, just look for the links in the description paragraph for each product.

Evanesce and Feminol are starting to look better and better to me all the time.

[Christina (imported)]

If you want good effects of feminization, I would advise you to be cautious about the herbals that can be bought in the local stores. From the information I had gathered when I first started HRT, the herbals lack in consistancy from one brand to the next. Also, the amount you need to take, is much higher than recomended. I decided that prescription medicine was the best choice for me. Only until a few months ago I had heard of Evanenesce and Feminol. I checked out the web site, and it seems these are a much more refined and potent version of the store bought brands. The price wasn't too bad either. If you don't want to go the presription method and want to use the herbals, I would check into the Evanesce and Feminol before wasting money on the store brands.

[Pel2 (imported)]

Another avenue you might want to explore is natural progesterone cream. It can be purchased in the same kind of stores that sell other herbal products. That is, it is over the counter.

Hi again Glenda

I've been meaning to ask, can you tell me some good stores for progesterone cream? I guess there must be some variability between brands, so who's got good product?

Thanks!

[Leon (imported)]

Pel2, there is a great website on feminisation herbs here:

http://www.sissify.com/juice/

Could you tell me what effect the herbs you are taking now are having? Thanks.

All the best,

Leon

[Pel2 (imported)]

Could you tell me what effect the herbs you are taking now are having? Thanks.

Well, I had to cut back on the dosage.. 3000mg/day was driving my stress level and emotions through the roof (and I'm supposed to be "undercover" at work, for what that's worth). So 2000mg/day for now, and I'll see what.

Physically, it's made my skin softer, and there has been a very slight breast growth. On the down side, the hair on my head now grows faster, and it's started to affect my muscle strenth (and I have an extremely physical job that requires endurance and stamina, so I'm going to have to work harder to keep my endurance up)

I've noticed my thinking is growing much more towards the female way - being androgynous, my emotions and attitudes have always been a mix, but in my case would tend a little more towards male. But with the herbals, that balance is beginning to tip towards feminine.

I guess I'll have to wait and see what's in store...

[Glenda J (imported)]

Pel2,

I don't know what brands of Natural Progesterone Cream may be best. You can buy it, however, at any "health food" store as well as many mainline stores. As I mentioned, there are books available at many of the stores that sell it which go into its effects in more detail.

Here is site you may want to check out.

http://www.johnleemd.com/

Glenda J

[SteveA (imported)]

I have been using herbal estrogens I get from the Phoenix Project. they are in capsule form. I take Evanesce, feminol pregenoline, and Evening Primrose Oil.

After one year, my sexual libido is zero. My penis is limp IMPOTENT . I probably have the same testosterone as a eunuch. and that was my goal.

I am a herbal eunuch!!!:)

There are side effects. I have nice soft 44-B cup boobs, a big fat rounded woman's butt, soft skin and less body hair.

I don't mind the side effects as one year ago I was as horny as a toad. I was into internet pornography and was really lusting after my pubescent granddaughter.

Now all that is history and I love to watch my granddaughter develop. She really is beautiful;)

SteveA

[Sac_mec (imported)]

I like this thread. Before I went on to Androcur, I spent a few months using natural herbs. My choices included Dong Quai

and Wild Yam. The beauty of both of these is that they can be bought in a Health Store in the UK and probably in suerstores also

where they devote a section to "holistic" medicines.

One of the major advantages with herbs are their relative low price and I can vouch that loss of erections is easily achievable.

I even wrote a little story in the fiction section "Those Bigger

Dick Adverts" which deals with the beneficial aspects of herbs.

[blade-runner (imported)]

Stevea and Sac_mec

I'm very interested in how you both achieved those effects. If you could take a moment to explain what regiments, dosages you used, I would really appreciate it. Also how long it took for the dosages to kick in. Thank you

[Sac_mec (imported)]

Bladerunner, thanks for your question and what a nice nick you have.

The herbs I bought came in bottles of maybe 50-80 a bottle.

I bought them in a Health store and I took them as directed on the bottle. I can't recall their strength but I guess there is a common global standard. The drugs I mentioned I believe are aimed at women with menstrual problems, so you know they'll be amongst the female area of the store display.

I took 1 of each, I think AM and PM and I hadn't been on the

bottle very long before shrinkages started

As you may have read, I moved on to drugs and that was because I felt it important to include my Dr.

These herbs do work and I wish you good fortune soon.

Any more questions, drop me a private message or e-mail.

[SteveA (imported)]

Hi Blade runner,

I have been on the herbals from the Phoenix Project for one year. I have experimented with dosage throughout the year. "They' recommend taking the Evanesce ( a testosterone blocker) at a maximum of 6 capsules/day. I got up to 9/day. the feminol which was for building breasts was rated at max of 4/day. I took 6/day

I also took one Ev3ening Primrose Oil cap For skin ?

then I took 2 Pregenoline which was supposed to enhance the hormone function. So if you were adding....18 capsules per day

I first noticed effects within the first month of starting. Then things leveled off and slowly grew. i REALLY do have B cup boobs and a big fat butt. But that is a lot of pills (burp!)

The pills cost me about $110 per month.

AND I am off them for a while at least. I want to see if my penis stays down and my boobs stay big. My goal was to be free from sexual libido. So far all is well.