Wankers: Why it's a problem for you to pass off your fantasy as reality in the forums

[Losethem (imported)]

Yes, I went off on another fantasy seeker recently. His name is Javids420 and I want to let all of you who have active fantasy lives know that on principle I have no problem with your having fantasies about castration, penectomy, and nullification. It's great you have your fantasies and they please you. Great! Enjoy yourselves, however...

Recently we had two members of the EA perform band and slice operations on themselves. I am not going to make a judgement for or against what they did, but I am going to note what they did is life threatening and incredibly dangerous. One even said he nearly bled to death on the way to the emergency room.

Into this difficult time for both of these men walked Javids420. He made posts both on the EA and forums elsewhere. He started his EA post off with, "I'm SERIOUSLY going to do this today..." So, those of us that have actually had our penises removed read the article with interest wanting to offer heartfelt advice and support, much of it stating that he should not do so, and referencing the man above who recently severed his penis using this method and nearly bled to death. This then turned into, "I'm SERIOUSLY going to do this tomorrow..." as almost exactly 24-hours later the original poster was still talking about seeking advice on how to do the band and slice safely. 2 days later, he was still at it. There is only one piece of sound advice for doing band and slice safely, YOU CAN'T.

Sandi caught on to his classical wanking game when she posted it's, "...the game of "Why Don't You--Yes But." A person playing this game asks for advice and then scores psychological points by rebutting each piece of advice given..." This is exactly what Javids420 was doing. He then admits that he was, "only debating the idea..." to then turn around in his next posting and tell us about his ex-wife and her "offer" of help stating, "This is no fantasy. She said she will be pissed if she comes all this way for nothing... I will be doing it you guys. Soon too..."

I immediately followed this with my second posting telling him he's an idiot. OK, I could have used more tact, and Sandi did an incredible job of doing so (You go girl!), but as anyone who has been here long can tell you, I have a low tolerance for bullshit, in this case wrapping up your fantasy as reality, then presenting it in a forum where people who are honestly seeking these mods visit. These are my brothers, and are people who may get harmed by misinterpreting your fantasy as something that can be done safely, who then potentially follow your "advice" and bleed to death.

And that, wankers, is why it's a problem for you to pass off your fantasy as reality in these forums.

[Paolo]

Thank you, LT.

[kristoff]

We periodically have to deal with this sort of thing. We cant just immediately dismiss them on the off chance they may be for real. But after a bit, things become obvious. Keep calling them as you see them. You are usually spot on.

K

[sparkey49 (imported)]

Glad he is gone here he was obnoxious here and elsewhere!

[jcat (imported)]

LT your intolerance for bullshit is a great asset......I read such posts and ignore them. Having you on borad to tell it how it is is great. You should get a gold star!

[Markymarky (imported)]

I will just add that cutters and diy surgery are very dangerous, and even though my penectomy was done by a knowledgeable man, if anything had gone wrong, its a long way to hospital, if the cutter hangs around to help you get there.

[Wellesley (imported)]

Considering the risks of professional surgery the DIY or other route is totally dangerous and irresponsible.

I have been in enough pain to consider it though, so I can see how one could get to such a point.

There really should be more done to support people. The medical community hates outliers.

[Losethem (imported)]

While I agree with the previous two statements, that isn't what the thread is about. It's about people who pass themselves off as the real thing, offering advice in their masturbation fueled frenzy as things that people should do, then having people who really want to be eunuchs or nullos taking that 'advice' and doing themselves harm potentially to the point of death... and why eunuchs and nullos such as myself have a problem with those folks.

--LT

[jcat (imported)]

LT you are absolutely right. The advice of liars and fantasists could be extremely dangerous. The best advice for anyone is to check and check and check again. Ask questions in the forum so that the wise can advise on the wankers.

For this very reason there are many things that I have done or experimented with that I would not share openly for fear that someone might do themselves serious harm.

[alexsmith (imported)]

Javids420 really did have his penis cut off! The photos were authentic, especially the close-up of the open stump. I don't understand why his thread was closed and why the moderator called his story bullshit and his pictures fake. He was not on here wanking, and was unfairly kicked off the forum. His one mistake was that he approached the subject in such a way that he at first made his story lack credibility.

[Losethem (imported)]

A good many of us who actually have these mods disagree.

This is not the thread to discuss his specific situation. This is a broader thread outlining why it's an issue when wankers appear, no matter who they are, and pass themselves off as the real thing while they are fapping behind their keyboards. The main point being that they can say whatever they want without injury to themselves. Then you get new folks in who are serious about these things, read that stuff not understanding it's someone's fantasy, then they do it and end up with real harm to themselves and possibly death.

That is what this thread is about.

[Paolo]

Javids420 really did have his penis cut off! The photos were authentic, especially the close-up of the open stump. I don't understand why his thread was closed and why the moderator called his story bullshit and his pictures fake. He was not on here wanking, and was unfairly kicked off the forum. His one mistake was that he approached the subject in such a way that he at first made his story lack credibility.

Don't start.

It was the way he approached the place, responded to others, and basically, the fights he stirred up.

NEVER before have I had so many emails and PM's over a topic, and all of them complaints.

Javids has been informed that he can still read the forums, and until such time as he wants to post again, without the issues that caused all, this he may.

He wasn't kicked off or banned.

LT and others have made valid arguments, and the subject is closed.

Back to the topic at hand.

[kristoff]

Several people have gotten really stirred up about all this, quite without need. There are a good number of us who have been around for a couple of decades, most of whom are modded, and are very familiar with how that is done. They know what the story is, and they call things as they see them. I want them to continue doing that. People would be well advised to listen to them.

Javids came in here with his crank waving all around, soliciting unwanted advice, posting claims about his actions. He may well have cut his crank off, he may not have. I rely on the photo analysis of a very competent photo editor who questions the photos that were posted. They might be real, but short of a vid chat with someone, I cant tell for sure.

We have had a number of cases of members doing ill-advised things - cutting, clamping, smashing, etc., and causing themselves severe harm. There have been a few cases where we think someone has killed themselves inadvertently. We can't always be sure of what happens. This is why so many people get so insistent upon advising against these kind of actions. Lives do matter, we do care.

We've had one member write in asking to delete his profile over this. We are not going to be taking these kinds of actions when someone is all heated up - they'll just regret it.

In the meantime, I pay attention to what LT has to say about fantasies. More than once we have had to shut down someone posting fantasy as reality, a couple to the point that I had to ban them, something I hate to do. We can't have people relying on fantasies to guide them - people get hurt that way.

If you have issues with anymore of this, send me a PM and we'll discuss things. In the meantime, lets cool this whole thing down.

[Losethem (imported)]

If you have issues with anymore of this, send me a PM and we'll discuss things. In the meantime, lets cool this whole thing down.

And that's why I tried to refocus the conversation, at least in this thread, by not mentioning a certain name.

The main reason I get incredibly passionate/opinionated/terse in some of those threads is the wanking issue where it gets presented as "fact." I don't have a problem with wankers per se, what I have a problem with is when their fantasies are presented as "fact", and then an unsuspecting person who is real trips across it, takes it as advice, and ends up harming themselves. To my knowledge it has not ended up with a death, but then who knows? Perhaps it has and we never heard about it.

To those of you who fantasize about this, an active fantasy life is great, and I really do want people to have at it. We simply need you to identify that is what it is. The problem is when people want to pass it off as fact, because they want the feedback from others as a way to feed the fantasy, which is the point it crosses the line for me. There is a whole archive of fantasy stories, there is no need to pass off your fantasy as fact. There is plenty of fodder in the fiction archives for you to feed your need.

--LT

[A-1 (imported)]

It is remarkable to see how this site has matured in the last decade and a half. I am proud of all of you. It is impossible to minimize the contributions of each individual. This site is unique both in it's inception and its function.

If you are new here, pay attention to the people here. They know what they are talking about. I know what gets hauled through the Emergency Room. I see it often. It is a good place to stay out of.

[daifu-orchid (imported)]

Yes, wankers abound.

I have sometimes mistaken a wanker for genuine, but it seems to show in the end.

I guess one can be kind to a wanker, but it's usually a waste of time.

[A-1 (imported)]

"Wankers" do fantasy.

Vanilla can be real or a wanker....

But castration/penectomy/nullo real and wanker is a YUGE difference.

People do not die from fantasy.

They die when the fantasy takes over and casts their mind into a haze where they cannot distinguish one from the other.

This is mental illness. It can kill you just as efficiently as physical illness can.

Yet, people like to ignore this fact.

Then, it becomes Sandy Hook and we wonder how it could happen.

Well, I just told you.

If you want it all cut off, find a doctor and do it right.

Because fantasy can go away. Body modifications ARE A DIFFERENT STORY.

Gender can be faked and reality can be faked. Even here.

Some can tell. Some cannot.

Be careful.

A life can hang in the balance.

[Losethem (imported)]

Yes, wankers abound.

I have sometimes mistaken a wanker for genuine, but it seems to show in the end.

I guess one can be kind to a wanker, but it's usually a waste of time.

My experience is they ALWAYS show themselves. Eventually.

[sandi1234 (imported)]

Hi, as others have said, fantasies are a good and really driving thing, but I'm dead sure we have at one time in our lives had fantasies we knew deep down that should not be lived out? at least i know i have.

I personally as a nurse have one problem with things like this, some one writes it , gets responddses from worried humans, and while that is bad, if someone really desperate sees it they go like, wow i do this, or end my life, what is the big deal? and then we have the problems running.And something will be running, literally.

Sandi

[krone1000 (imported)]

It's still sad it's even a thing. There are times and places to do certain things which is why there are sites catered to fantasy seekers. Apparently somewhere along the line they forget fantasies are just that; fantasies and shouldn't be acted out in reality.

[jcat (imported)]

Having monitored this thread and read it all because like most people I do have fantasies. One about being dressed as a busty nurse in a short skirt with suspenders and a big syringe ready to inject a helpless male strapped to a table....... I would turn this into a reality if there were any takers!! I am not joking!

I also know where the line is between the dream and reality. As evidenced by my long journey since 2004 when I started looking at EA and then plucking up courage to come out of the shadows and join in 2006. I read and read and learned loads and checked it all out before doing anything. I have also done some crazy stuff and survived. I didn't start injecting my testicles until 2013.

This forum has many wise and caring people, mostly without testicles and some with nothing at all. We try to be helpful and share our experience and advice honestly with the caveat of do not try this at home. The reason being that your mileage may vary. We are all so different and our bodies function differently. For example when I cut my scrotum open I hardly bled at all and others I have spoken to bled a lot.... it varies. So any advice we give has to be evaluated and considered.

The most important thing of all is that we have people like the venerable LT who has a knack of cutting through the bullshit and flagging it as forgive the pun ' bollocks'. We need the blunt re-post to wake us all up and keep it real.

For some fantasists their journey changes to a real desire for castration at some point and therefore this place needs to remain open to all. At the same time we will call a spade a spade and not a shovel!

My own journey has been one of desperation and there have been times that this place and the people here have saved my life or held my hand as I did some crazy shit to my genitals. Being there while I was in hospital, checking on me, messaging me, never condemning but always caring. I did stuff after lots of research and careful consideration and I knew how to deal with things if they went bad. I did stuff I have not posted here because it was so insane I would hate someone to read it, try it and die. I was lucky.

In contrast, imagine someone coming here reading some bollocks and doing something crazy, like trying to burdizzo his penis as I read on another forum.......(If you do this you will probably die by the way). There is a lot of lies and fantasy posted as reality. It is not hard to figure out who the wise people are here and message them for some private help.

Maybe we should have a 'Fantasy' flag on threads or posts that are deemed to be so?

[Losethem (imported)]

Maybe we should have a 'Fantasy' flag on threads or posts that are deemed to be so?

That would require the software used to run the site to have the ability to place such a flag. I'd be all for it, if it's possible. But keep in mind, you have nearly 2 decades worth of posts in here, and it might be unreasonable to go back and tag 'em all. *shrugs*

--LT

[fhunter]

That would require the software used to run the site to have the ability to place such a flag. I'd be all for it, if it's possible. But keep in mind, you have nearly 2 decades worth of posts in here, and it might be unreasonable to go back and tag 'em all. *shrugs*

--LT

IMO, just specific section for fantasy is enough. If the thread is fantasy - move it there, problem solved. As far as I know that functionality built in into vbulletin.

[jcat (imported)]

IMO, just specific section for fantasy is enough. If the thread is fantasy - move it there, problem solved. As far as I know that functionality built in into vbulletin.

Brilliant Idea!

[ZeuterMe (imported)]

IMO, just specific section for fantasy is enough. If the thread is fantasy - move it there, problem solved. As far as I know that functionality built in into vbulletin.

+1, Brilliant