Castrated at young age, is it acceptable or too early to make a decision

[erikboy (imported)]

So, I have been around EA... for ages. Read a lot of personal experiences and thoughts. And compared others experiences with my own feelings and thoughts.

What I see, is that, generally men older than 35 are ready to take that life altering step. The older the easier the decision would be to make.

Still many regret not being castrated earlier. Much earlier, including myself, despite I am not an eunuch yet.

When asked about when the interest about castration started, big part of respondents say that during puberty or as a young adult. And over the time that interest didn't fade, instead got more intense. Thats not a scientific approach, as it is difficult to get information from them, who lost that interest in castration soon after they got interested in it. They aren't with us.

As it is very odd and life altering, to get castrated, people want to be sure that they can't live without it. Only after a long time, seeing nothing get better, they decide finally to get castrated, and regret not getting it done earlier.

Now, getting castrated early in life, wouldn't allow to experience that life with endless desire to get castrated. Which sometimes seem quite agonizing. Also, there would be no beforehand knowledge or experience of downsides being castrated. So it might lead to thinking, that castration wasn't a right decision, and could lead to regretting becoming an eunuch, while endlessly delaying castration could be much worse. So you never know.

When I think back in my life, having the knowledge and experience I have now, I think I would have been happiest if I was castrated around 15-17. Very young indeed. But only if I had the knowledge and experience I have now. My life would have taken much different path. I would have been much different person. And much happier, knowing that I made a right decision at a right time.

The only way it could have happened at a right time is to have a right person beside me, helping me to understand what it really mean to become an eunuch. To help me to have a chemical trial period, to have some of my sperm frozen. Listen to my concerns, give me honest answers. And finally, if I am ready, help me to get it done safely. The other big problem is society... Probably I needed to invent some acceptably story, why I am an eunuch, in case someone asked or got to know that I am an eunuch. And after that just to embrace my new and happy eunuch life ahead. I had no such mentor in my life of course.

But that is not possible of course in our current society. I had to live years and years thinking that I am the only freak in the world wanting castration. And then endlessly hoping that desire would fade and I become a normal person. Which never happened of course. There is a counseling for transgender people, helping them to make right decision at a young age to minimize their suffering.

I understand that there are many reasons why castration desire exists, but it is very important for everyone to know the reason. As early as possible. Whether it is just another paraphilia to be castrated, to castrate, to have castrated partner or be castrated partner, or is it more related to self image, body dysphoria or gender dysphoria etc. Or mix of everything. That is important to know in order to make an informed decision that would lead to happy life.

So, what do you think, people?

Is it possible to make an informed decision about castration at early age?

If you were castrated at the right age, how you think your life looked like now?

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I think people will use all kinds of things to blame for how life usually goes different from what we had planned for our futures. If its not one thing, its something else, education, jobs, spouses, where you live, sex drive, all kinds of things that might have changed people s lives.

I think its better for men and especially young men and boys to live with that longing for enough years to be sure they want castration and to have kids and lots of great sex before they give up their balls permanently. I thing if males get castrated too young, it could easily become their main focus or scapegoat for why their life is going different from what they had planned or wanted. It would be too easy to blame that early choice for anything that goes wrong in their lives.

Plus, the mentors could too easily be into this to recruit young guys into being eunuchs as their own sexual gratification instead of what is best for the young men.

Circumcision is far less damaging than castration, and look at the controversy around cutting off a boy s foreskin. Lots of grown men and boys wish they were the opposite of what they have in their penis foreskins, not that it does much good to claim it changed their life as much as a castration would change their lives. That natural tendancy to blame being castrated as a boy or young man would be there all his life to regret and wonder about what would his life have been like if he had kept his balls instead ?

I think most men with this urge to actually get castrated do get some enjoyment from planning and debating inside their own heads, and feeling that yearning for years before satisfying it by losing their balls and or dick at older ages and after decades of sex and fatherhood in most cases.

[Losethem (imported)]

I'd say an appropriate age is around 25 with few hurdles, and 18 if A LOT OF hurdles have been put in place. When I speak of hurdles, I'm talking adequate psychological examination, etc.

In the US, some as young as 16 are allowed a surgical gender transition with parental consent and the following of the standards of care, so I think this could be treated in a similar way.

[Atreyu69 (imported)]

I've been terrified by and interested in castration for just about as long as I can remember but my "obsession" was at its peak from ages 10 to 15. If it had been socially acceptable, and if I had same age friends who had had the procedure and were happy with the results, and if I was assured it would be painless, I might have agreed to a full nullification at age 13 or 14.

Had I been castrated at 13 I'm sure that there'd be times when I regretted it and other times when I'd have been thrilled to be a eunuch. I don't see it as a happy or sad sort of a thing. Rather being a full eunuch would be a happy and sad thing depending on my phase of life and current situation. But during those moments of regret I wouldn't blame anyone but myself. This much I know for sure, there's simply no way on Earth you could get a 12 year old boy to agree to be castrated unless it was what he really wanted. Had I willingly walked into that castration clinic knowing ahead of time what they were going to do to me the rest would've been on me and no one else.

Earlier today I was listening to a Catholic radio talk show host railing against parents who were raising their children as "gender fluid." Needless to say he didn't approve. I wanted to call in and say that these parents don't need my understanding or approval. The question should be, are they Americans? Americans, we are told, value freedom. Freedom is what we've fought for. But what is freedom if not the right to live our lives with as little government interference as possible?

If at some future date 13 year olds are allowed voluntary castration I wouldn't object. If my son wanted castration I'd try to dissuade him. But if he held firm in his desire I'd support him in becoming a eunuch.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I knew of a young boy, an only child, whose parents raised him as gender neutral or pro feminine since he was very young. They gave him female toys and encouraged female behaviors in him.

I ended up being his phy ed teacher in his 7th to 9th grades. I felt terrible for him. He hated sports, didn t get along with other males, preferred girls as his friends, and seemed maladjusted and unhappy all around. He hated me and hated phy ed. I think his parents recklessly experimented with their son for their own kicks and ruined his life.

[DeaconBlues (imported)]

I knew of a young boy, an only child, whose parents raised him as gender neutral or pro feminine since he was very young. They gave him female toys and encouraged female behaviors in him.

I ended up being his phy ed teacher in his 7th to 9th grades. I felt terrible for him. He hated sports, didn t get along with other males, preferred girls as his friends, and seemed maladjusted and unhappy all around. He hated me and hated phy ed. I think his parents recklessly experimented with their son for their own kicks and ruined his life.

Thanks for this very interesting and candid posting. I believe there are a lot of maladjusted people who are the product of bad parenting. Do you have any information about what eventually happened to this child as he grew up?

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

Thanks for this very interesting and candid posting. I believe there are a lot of maladjusted people who are the product of bad parenting. Do you have any information about what eventually happened to this child as he grew up?

No, I d heard about him as a little boy from older girls who were baby sitters for him, and I was appauled that any parents would intentionally do that to any child. I was not even connecting him to the young boy that I d heard the girls talking about from many years earlier when I first taught him when he was in 7th grade. I didn t realize it was the same boy until he was in 8th grade and I d noticed how uncomfortable he was around other boys, especially the jocks and more masculine boys his age. Then I realized it was the same kid. He hated my class and me so I didn t have much contact with him with so many kids in each class wanting my time and him wanting nothing to do with me. So, I concentrated on the kids eager to get any attention in class. He was tall and average masculine in looks and physical features for his age, thin and not muscular, but not undersized or frail. But he didn t like to be around other males of any ages. He d hang out with girls only and tried to avoid all the boys his age. He was prissy acting and bad tempered in resenting the other boys very openly. He thought I was a big ape jock and acted resentful whenever I interacted with him minimally in class and he hardly spent any time in the locker room and he didn t play any sports. I mostly left him alone with the girls he was part of a clique with. Not dating them, more like him being a girl with them.

He never knew I d heard stories about him as a young boy from years earlier, small town gossip from the girls babysitting him and seeing his parents encouraging female toys and activities in him, which shocked his female teen baby sitters.

Last I ever saw or heard of him was in my 9th grade phy ed class. I never heard anything about him when he went off to the high school and left the middle school I was teaching at. There was no reason to keep up on him with so many new male students who were often so eager to have any grown man to interact with, and from so many divorced homes with no dads around for their sons to spend any time with. You wouldn t believe the hunger so many boys and male teens have for any adult male contact after many years of being isolated from most adult men their whole childhoods, ( the propaganda of acting like all men are pedophiles crap that is being pervasively used to isolate boys from all men and most men avoiding kids like the plague for fear of being accused of being inappropriate with any under aged males and females) and with no dads caring about them. Its really so sad to see so many boys and teen males isolated from all adult men when they are growing up and no men as mentors or examples of how to be a man for them. Most men run the other direction from any kids for fear of being falsely accused of sexual anything.

[Paolo]

I have thoughts to add to this later, when I have a real keyboard and not a laptop only.

Perhaps to bring things a bit back onto topic?

I have raised a whole herd of boys, and spent a lot of time with their friends as well.

Castration curiosity (for lack of a better term) is fairly common in boys. At least, in those that have discovered how vulnerable to damage and/or pain their testicles are.

The most "celebrated" case of this curiosity/anxiety was when Nephew2 was in 7th grade, and one of his classmates lost a testicle from the "bag tag" game that was popular back then. He was hit so hard that the ruptured testicle began to hemorrhage, and by the time he got to surgery, it was too late to save it - it had to be removed.

Needless to say, Nephew and his gang were fraught with anxiety, curiosity, and questions.

The victim, let's call him John, was devastated. Losing one really messed up his head, and of course, the whole school knew about it in no time. Never mind the teasing and jibes he endured, and the fear that he'd lose the other one. This was another case of "go talk to L's uncle, he knows this stuff." (me) Somehow, it was always me? Long story short, it took a while, but I was eventually able to get him lined out.

While this isn't enough of a study to make a case (and that age, who knows?) I found that the boys in Nephew's clique were literally terrified of castration - while at the same time being fascinated with it. It's still my contention that boys below the age 16 are far too young to make their own informed choice about castration.

More later.

[veryshyboy1995 (imported)]

I started to think of it at 15 like an odd recurrent fantasy. I was not sure of it neither at 19; it's growing more serious from my 19, but i think it's not matter for young boys.

[erikboy (imported)]

I remeber there was a case of identical twin boys, one of which became girl at age 14. Actually transition process started earlier with stopping puberty one of boys.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/identical ... d=15142268

But the main point is that if trans people can be identified so early, then probably m to e people can be identified at young age too. So they don't have to go through puberty they might not want, or halt excessive masculinization. We can speak of our own experiences while most of us did not have much knowledge about castration and felt like the only weirdos in the world figuri g everything out slowly, painfully and without help.

So we might think that getting castrated early could be bad.

But then, changing sex as early is no easier thing to decide. You will become sterile anyway.

But if decision to get castrated early is right, it could make that person much happier, eliminating many sad years from their life.

[Paolo]

Repost of another post from another thread, to increase visibility.

As posted by Jesus:

Re: What is the ideal age for castration

We have some data on this question from the third survey that was run on the EA community. The first article based on the survey has just been submitted for publication, so it may be a while before much of the data is published. Two questions were relevant to this thread:

If you are permanently castrated, at what age were you actually castrated?

If you could have been castrated at a different age, at what age would you have preferred to be castrated?

After removing responses from those who had been involuntarily castrated (prostate and testicular cancer, accidents, etc.), there were 146 who had answered both questions.

If you are permanently castrated, at what age were you actually castrated?

Average age: 47.5

Youngest had been castrated at 18

If you could have been castrated at a different age, at what age would you have preferred to be castrated?

Average age: 25.6

38 would prefer to have been castrated at age 12 or younger (26% of the entire group)

Another 16 would have preferred castration by age 17 (an additional 11%)

37 (25%) would prefer to have been castrated at age 40 or older

What would be very interesting would be for those responding here to give their REASONS for choosing a particular age. We didn't ask that and it would be valuable information.

[Dekeldoh (imported)]

When I was 17, I decided "for sure" that I needed to get the surgery done at some point in my life. However, I figured I could push it aside until my late twenties or even thirties and just get it done easily once I was financially independent and didn't have people around to ask questions. That way of thinking was naive and irresponsible. I only lasted about 4 years before I started buying sutures, scalpels, and hemostats online.

As for life-changing decisions at young ages, I say age has nothing to do with it. Some individuals are intelligent, understanding, and considerate as a toddler, while others have no patience for anything complicated even as a young adult. However, when someone has good decision-making at an early age, they still tend to improve even more as they get older.

[Atreyu69 (imported)]

The few examples we have of "voluntary" preteen castration such as David Reimer all had disastrous results. But by the very nature of such things we only hear about the failures and not the success. I imagine there were other "David Reimers" who turned out fine but why would they go public. But I have more to add.

The problem, as I see it, is if voluntary preteen castration and nullification ever became legal no one knows what the long term ramifications would be. Suppose two adults voluntary nullified as 12 year olds married and then decided to adopt a baby boy. Once that boy reached the age of 12 (the same age at which his parents were nullified) would he be more likely to desire castration than a boy adopted by intact parents? My guess would be he would.

Suppose a church opens for members who predominantly support voluntary castration at a young age. Would boys raised in such a church be more likely to ask to be castrated. Once again I'd say yes.

But even so I feel that 12 year olds should be allowed to choose provided they receive approval from a castration neutral medical professional.

[CircItaly (imported)]

I don't know if David Reimer's nullification could be called "voluntary"

[Paolo]

Voluntary, in that his parents agreed to the proposal made by Dr. John Money, in his supposition that remodeling the outer genitals (to the best extent at the time, and for a child) would be the best course of action.

For those that don't know, Reimer was, as an infant, the victim of a botched circumcision that mutilated his penis. Money recommended that the child be castrated as well, and raised a girl. Long story short, it didn't work as planned, and in adulthood, Reimer committed suicide.

You can learn more by searching him up on Google or such.

[CircItaly (imported)]

So, the question is not if a kid is able to choose on his own, but if the parents have the right to have him castrated or nullified. In my erotic fantasies they absolutely have the right to use and abuse, but in the reality I don't think it would be a improvement for the human race

[paring (imported)]

I don't know if David Reimer's nullification could be called "voluntary"

Well, David has never requested to be castrated. So it wasn't a voluntary castration, even though his parents agreed to get it done, that was unacceptable. Doctors and parents judgements are often questionable. In USA (and Canada back then) parents who refused to get their sons circumcised were told to force retract their sons foreskin, which often cause para phimosis for which circumcision will be proposed to cure it. That is questionable too, in some European countries, it is forbidden to it and parents who do it risk a 10 years sentence. David twin brother was supposed to be circumcised along with his brother to cure para phimosis but his circumcision was cancelled because of what happened to his brother. Guess what, his para phimosis was cured within a month, with out medical help. The trick is just leave the boy's penis alone. BTW his twin brother has also committed suicide. No ones are ever born crazy, they are driven crazy by society and their religious believes. According to European doctors, only 1/1600 boy need to be circumcised. So why do they circumcise so many boys in USA ?

[CircItaly (imported)]

100% agree

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

Circumcision and especially completely removing the frenulum is a partial destruction of the man s sexual pleasures as an infant and without his agreement.

The medical people make tons of money off circumcision and pressure parents to cut their newborn sons.

The mothers seem especially guilty of pushing to circumcise their newborn sons to " look cleaner " than the natural uncut penis with its protective foreskin. How many fathers ever push to cut their daughter s genitals to make them look cleaner and be easier to keep clean in western countries ? The medical establishment would crucify any father pushing to cut off his newborn daughter s genitals to " look cleaner " and be easier to keep clean.

Go into any women s locker room and take a good, deep smell of how many females smell and tell me males need cleaner genitals !

Back to castration.

Most young boys have no idea of the intense sexual pleasures and sex drives that their balls will give them after puberty. Most young boys have little idea of what sex is or feels like. How can they possibly decide before they ever experience full grown manhood and sex to even know what they would be giving up ?

Too many young boys and teens would be suseptable to pressure from drs, parents, teachers, peers, girls, religious leaders, and who knows who else and then regret it for life.

[Freddyjack (imported)]

Experience has taught us that the young are not able to make rational choices about alcohol, voting, marriage, driving and a number of other decisions that they will make in adulthood, I dont understand how anyone could expect ALL kids to be able to make that type of decision at an early age, you say one kid can make the decision and the next can't. We as a society have chosen 18 to be the general age of consent for a reason, it could be 17 or 19 but w e chose 18 as the time our kids are capable and responsible enough to make decisions that are permanent and unchangeable bacause they (as a whole) will not have the tools to make the best choices for themselves. Yes there are exceptions to the rule, but you can't change the rule for all because the exception.

[Atreyu69 (imported)]

Circumcision and especially completely removing the frenulum is a partial destruction of the man's sexual pleasures as an infant and without his agreement.

Go into any women s locker room and take a good, deep smell of how many females smell and tell me males need cleaner.

As a boy just entering puberty one of my classmates had a very tight, I guess you'd call it, radical circumcision. He also had a complete removal of the frenulum. As a result when "Craig" was erect the head of his penis had a sort of flared out look almost as if it was partially detached. Needless to say I was intrigued. Craig and I were very close. When I masturbated him I had to be careful and use shallow slow strokes since pulling too hard on the tight skin of is penis would cause him discomfort. But when Craig came his orgasms were incredibly intense. I don't think Craig's genital mods reduced his sexual pleasure. It's just that you had to go slow and be really gentle when you got him off.

As for going into the women's locker room, no thank you! I don't want to get arrested.

[CircItaly (imported)]

At what age your friend was circumcised?

[paring (imported)]

If you are gay and circumcised, you must try docking (the covering of your glans with a foreskin) at least once in your lifetime. Only then you'll realize what you are missing.

[Dekeldoh (imported)]

Experience has taught us that the young are not able to make rational choices about alcohol, voting, marriage, driving and a number of other decisions that they will make in adulthood, I dont understand how anyone could expect ALL kids to be able to make that type of decision at an early age, you say one kid can make the decision and the next can't. We as a society have chosen 18 to be the general age of consent for a reason, it could be 17 or 19 but w e chose 18 as the time our kids are capable and responsible enough to make decisions that are permanent and unchangeable bacause they (as a whole) will not have the tools to make the best choices for themselves. Yes there are exceptions to the rule, but you can't change the rule for all because the exception.

I believe going so far below the age of majority was beyond the original intention of this thread. Discussing such would be purely theoretical, as like you have implied, it would be unrealistic and impractical for society to make drastic changes to the age of majority anytime soon.

However, I question the validity of your blanket statement: "

Experience has taught us that the young are not able to make rational choices about alcohol, voting, marriage, driving and a number of other decisions that they will make in adulthood...

" I wonder if any major studies have been done on the frequency of alcoholic inclinations, etc, for each generation. Even as a somewhat older millennial (ok, not really), I had unsupervised access to the internet as early as kindergarten and that gave me broad exposure to many aspects of society in general. Now, as an adult, I have heard about toddlers confidently swiping their way across tablets around the time they learn to walk. I really wonder how the prevalence of smartphones and similar contraptions, and a tendency for children to rely on such devices rather than their parents for education and sustenance, will affect young individuals' social, intellectual, and emotional development.

Personally, I had my outlook on alcohol set in stone long before I turned 18. "At the cost of damaging my liver, I can impair my ability to think? That's just a double whammy! You people are crazy." As for driving, I like to go 10 miles below the speed limit whenever I'm alone or people can pass me easily. My view on marriage was the most radical of all, even as a 12 to 13 year old; my decision to castrate myself should say enough about that. At 22, I feel exactly the same about marriage as I did 10 years ago.

Anyway, even moreso than the intricacies of internet exposure, I wonder what children could accomplish if they were shown the same trust and respect as any other human. Sincerity begets reciprocation. Treating someone like dirt will only encourage them to act according to your expectations, especially when they have no reasonable venue to vent or change things.

[racerboy (imported)]

I knew of a young boy, an only child, whose parents raised him as gender neutral or pro feminine since he was very young. They gave him female toys and encouraged female behaviors in him.

I ended up being his phy ed teacher in his 7th to 9th grades. I felt terrible for him. He hated sports, didn t get along with other males, preferred girls as his friends, and seemed maladjusted and unhappy all around. He hated me and hated phy ed. I think his parents recklessly experimented with their son for their own kicks and ruined his life.

Except for being raised "gender neutral" the kid sounds like me at that age. I was bookish, no lover of sports (I still am not), and got on better with girls, although I hung around with the guys -- mostly the other "nerds."

I don't know why it is that tomboys are fine and expected to grow out of it, but if a boy is treated or allowed to be feminine in the least degree, it "will ruin his life." I applaud modern parents who let their child be who they want to be, but think we are too quick to slap the label of "gender dysphoria" on boys who exhibit feminine preferences or behaviors -- like the Australian 12 year old whose parents were sneaking him female hormones but changed his mind. I believe most boys will grow out of it just as most girls do. And for those who don't...medical intervention can be targeted to those who really need it, not those whose parents think it's "kewl" to have a transgendered child.