Castrated at young age, is it acceptable or too early to make a decision

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

Except for being raised "gender neutral" the kid sounds like me at that age. I was bookish, no lover of sports (I still am not), and got on better with girls, although I hung around with the guys -- mostly the other "nerds."

I don't know why it is that tomboys are fine and expected to grow out of it, but if a boy is treated or allowed to be feminine in the least degree, it "will ruin his life." I applaud modern parents who let their child be who they want to be, but think we are too quick to slap the label of "gender dysphoria" on boys who exhibit feminine preferences or behaviors -- like the Australian 12 year old whose parents were sneaking him female hormones but changed his mind. I believe most boys will grow out of it just as most girls do. And for those who don't...medical intervention can be targeted to those who really need it, not those whose parents think it's "kewl" to have a transgendered child.

I agree with most of what you say here. Lots of kids don t like sports and prefer books and other activities. That s normal and expected in any group of people.

If anything, sports have become obnoxiously overdone and overblown in the USA as a keep your kids off drugs sales pitch to parents and professional sports composed of thugs and criminals from owners to the players to many of the fans. The violent riots after some sports victories are proof of this.

I agree female tomboys playing hockey and football get praise while any male wanting to play volleyball or do girl s softball would be rejected and treated horribly. There is an inexcusable double standard in male and female sports and behaviors in the US.

This boy stood out from the normal range of boys because of his out of the usual range of behaviors, mainly his obvious discomfort in being a male and in being around other males. He seemed more anti social and more unhappy than most kids and more angry, even though anger is pretty normal in many teens. He wasn t at peace within himself, which isn t unusual in teens either. But he stood out as more unhappy and more ill at ease with himself than most teens. He might outgrow it. Many teens are extremely different from their adult personalities. Some people overcome their upbringings and some don t. This boy was physically and obviously hormonally pretty high in his masculine features physically which contrasted with his behavior even more than if he had been less physically masculine or of average masculinity physically.

Out of many thousands of kids I taught, this boy stood out enough for me to notice him and then later connect him to the much younger boy raised as gender neutral or pro feminine as I was trying to figure out what was going on with him. He was troubled enough that I was trying to figure out how to reach him and best deal with him in class and hopefully help him enjoy class, and enjoy being a male and enjoy being around other males. But I failed completely at those goals with him. Him not liking me was immaterial really. But more masculine boys and tomboy girls enjoyed my classes and the others were less enthused with my teaching style, which is understandable and normal for phy ed.

In most classes, around 15% of the students like the class and or the teacher, around 15% will dislike the class and or the teacher, and the rest fall somewhere in the middle of those attitudes and most teachers expect that as pretty normal. All the usual groups of kids fall into these ranges most of the time.

[Atreyu69 (imported)]

At what age your friend was circumcised?

Craig had just turned 12. As an American being uncut made him the odd man out and some kids thought he was a freak. Craig asked be cir'ed but I don't think he realized just how much skin the doctor was going to take. The poor kid was sore for a few weeks following the operation. At home he wore only an oversized t-shirt that came halfway down to his knees since underwear was too uncomfortable. Craig was mad at his parents for months; mad at them because they didn't have him cir'ed at birth.

[sparkey49 (imported)]

I grew up in an era here in the US where I didn't know any other boys that were uncut except two of my brothers. My oldest brother and dad were circumcised so I know the feeling out of place. I met a kid when I was 12 and he was 11 that got circumcised at 10 and that really intrigued me.

[Atreyu69 (imported)]

I met a kid when I was 12 and he was 11 that got circumcised at 10 and that really intrigued me.

I know what you mean. At that age a boy understands what he's in for and (assuming it wasn't forced on him) he goes in for it willingly.

It seems sort of like a first step on the way to have having more stuff removed.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

Craig had just turned 12. As an American being uncut made him the odd man out and some kids thought he was a freak. Craig asked be cir'ed but I don't think he realized just how much skin the doctor was going to take. The poor kid was sore for a few weeks following the operation. At home he wore only an oversized t-shirt that came halfway down to his knees since underwear was too uncomfortable. Craig was mad at his parents for months; mad at them because they didn't have him cir'ed at birth.

I was showering and drying off in a locker room with some of my early teen students. Even though a good percentage of the guys were circumcised, thankfully more and more parents are leaving their sons foreskin intact. Instead of asking the cut guys around them, two uncut guys asked me why my dick " looks so weird " ? I guess asking me, as their phy ed teacher, was easier than asking their classmates. Or maybe their cut classmates didn t know enough about their infant circumcisions to give them any useful answers if they had already asked them about their circumcised cocks before they asked me about mine.

So with all of us naked, it was a perfect teaching moment to explain circumcision to both the uncut and cut boys changing near me. Since few parents, drs, health teachers, or anyone else ever explain circumcision to boys and teens.

I m cut really high and tight with my whole frenulum completely carved off my dick as an infant. No wonder these uncut teens thought my cock looked weird to them and compared to their fully intact foreskins and frenulums.

So I explained how they were uncircumcised and I was circumcised. I pointed out my circumcision scar and my carved off missing frenulum and how many guys are circumcised as infants and how and where my penis was cut. One guy said " Stop, stop you re making me sick ! How could they cut your dick like that ? " and of course all of them asked why my dick was cut ? I explained it was not medically needed and some parents thought penises look better circumcised and how lucky they were to have such intelligent parents who let them keep their whole foreskins and frenulums. They had pretty horrified looks on their faces looking at my circumcision scar on my shaft and no frenulum at all and seeing and hearing me explain how much foreskin was cut off my penis.

Their uncut perspective was that my cock had been mutilated for no reason, which is exactly right. Shows how different teens can view the same thing in circumcision.

I m guessing boys and teens view castration based on their exposure and familiarity with castration and their understanding of why its done to animals and to men. I m betting that farming and ranching boys, teens, and young men who are familiar with castrations and watch them done and help do castrations would be far more open to getting their own balls cut off than city males who never encounter castration and know nothing about it except maybe all the pet dogs who run around cities with empty or missing scrotums plainly visible to all boys and teens comparing their own full sacks and balls to neutered dogs bags. One teen on seeing a freshly neutered large dog spring a full erection said, Holy shit, look how big his dick is and he has no balls at all !

Personal experience and familiarity seem to be crucial in how males of all ages view castration and castrating men and boys.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I know what you mean. At that age a boy understands what he's in for and (assuming it wasn't forced on him) he goes in for it willingly.

It seems sort of like a first step on the way to have having more stuff removed.

As a pre puberty boy, I didn t think much of animal castrations or of my circumcised penis. They were just normal and how things were. The men and boys around me all took it as normal and didn t question either being done. Before puberty most boys just thought our balls and dicks weren t of much use or value except to have kids with when we grew up. Kissing and sex were mush, sissy, and nothing we wanted anything to do with. Selling us on getting our balls castrated at that age would have been pretty easy to do. Our main objections at that pre puberty age would be about never having any kids and not wanting to miss out on growing big and strong and missing out on being able to grow beards and hairy chests when we grew up.

We had no concept of the thrills and intense pleasures of sex that our penis and testicles would give us with puberty and the joys of intense sex drives and loving everything to do with sex that puberty with balls in our bags would later give us.

But I definitely agree that once anyone starts cutting off parts of our sex organs, like in circumcision, it probably does break down barriers and help make a male more willing and interested in getting more cut on his sex organs throughout his life. I m guessing even more after he is done using his balls, penis, and sperm to have all the kids he wants. Then giving them up or getting more modifications doesn t have that useful in reproduction barrier holding men back any longer.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I grew up in an era here in the US where I didn't know any other boys that were uncut except two of my brothers. My oldest brother and dad were circumcised so I know the feeling out of place. I met a kid when I was 12 and he was 11 that got circumcised at 10 and that really intrigued me.

Did your brothers compare cut and uncut and talk about the pros and cons of being circumcised growing up together ? You must have been asking each other and your dad why your penises were different. What did you cut dad say about it ?

[CircItaly (imported)]

Did your brothers compare cut and uncut and talk about the pros and cons of being circumcised growing up together ? You must have been asking each other and your dad why your penises were different. What did you cut dad say about it ?

My parents used to chat with their friends (my friends' parents) about my circumcision. Here in South Europa circumcision is a exotic weird thing, and everybody was very intrigued, but in a bad way. It was always a "oh, poor kid"

[sparkey49 (imported)]

My oldest brother was circumcised but he was 14 years older than I so not discussed by the time I was old enough to realize a difference he was away from home and in the army so didn't even know he was till years later. Was more the doctors and ny mom's decision back then. I got circumcised at age 33 so have experienced both but know that the feeling different growing up did influence my getting circumcised.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

My oldest brother was circumcised but he was 14 years older than I so not discussed by the time I was old enough to realize a difference he was away from home and in the army so didn't even know he was till years later. Was more the doctors and ny mom's decision back then. I got circumcised at age 33 so have experienced both but know that the feeling different growing up did influence my getting circumcised.

Being circumcised at age 33, in your sexual prime, how did your cut penis compare to your uncut penis in pleasure and sensations ?

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

My parents used to chat with their friends (my friends' parents) about my circumcision. Here in South Europa circumcision is a exotic weird thing, and everybody was very intrigued, but in a bad way. It was always a "oh, poor kid"

Most men around the world are uncut. I notice men from other countries are curious and look at my pretty radical circumcision in showers and locker rooms as if they are thinking to themselves, " So that s what a circumcised dick really looks like."

They don t usually ask me about it or talk about it. But I can tell its one of the few times they got to see a high and tight circumcision up close and for a long time to get a really good and long look at it. I don t act shy and cover up like lots of guys do. So they get a clear and unembarrassed look at my very circumcised penis that most men cover up too fast to give them an equal view of their cut dicks. I m sure most think us Americans are crazy to get cut for no good reason. I agree with that. But I m glad to give them a good long look at my cut cock to show them what a cut dick looks like.

[sparkey49 (imported)]

I wanted it for so long I was excited to get it done and I liked it and still do there was some loss of sensitivity but not enough to bother. Took a while to get used to the head being exposed and quit the habit of pulling the fore skin back that wasn't there any longer.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I wanted it for so long I was excited to get it done and I liked it and still do there was some loss of sensitivity but not enough to bother. Took a while to get used to the head being exposed and quit the habit of pulling the fore skin back that wasn't there any longer.

Thanks for your answer. Us men cut as infants always wonder how our foreskin and frenulum would feel and look and work for us in sex. Males really should be protected by law against infant circumcision and allowed to decide for themselves like you did as a grown man.

Docking cocks with an uncut man feels great to me. Makes me wish I d had the chance to enjoy my intact foreskin and frenulum and experience them in full glory like uncut men get to enjoy. As a nudist, sunburned dick head hurts and a foreskin would be a lot tougher as protection for my glans. There are lots of useful benefits to being uncut in daily life.

[Begoneboy (imported)]

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Us men cut as infants always wonder how our foreskin and frenulum would feel and look and work for us in sex.

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That's an interesting thought. I was circumcised at birth as so many Americans. Never really knew I was any different in that regard as a child. In part probably because as a child I never really had much concern about sex or the difference between people sexually speaking. Then as puberty came on it was the constant desire for finding relief of the erected penis. Let's face it, an erected penis is not a comfortable thing to have stuck on oneself until seeking relief. Fortunately I no longer have that issue banging around between my legs. Could it be possible that if parents wouldn't begin modifying their children at birth that we would grow up with a different outlook. Could it be possible that a parents decision to have their children cut at birth sets in motion a life long desire for other modifications. Not that I'm attempting to make some blame but every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I absolutely agree with Begoneboy that cutting baby boys penises with zero painkillers for extended long circumcisions and frenulum removals that are far more prolonged and painful than any quick snip at birth. Such immense pain must be imprinted on our brains permanently as one of the most painful and intense physical experiences for all of us circumcised males after leaving the comfort and safety of the womb.

Imagine the pain a teen or grown man would feel from being forcibly tied down spread eagled, with no pain killers, his fully attached foreskin painfully pried loose from its natural adhesion and ripped from his sensative glans skin, then his foreskin painfully clamped, crushed, left in pain for minutes, and then cut off, and his nerve filled frenulum carved from deep in his penis skin and leaving a gaping hole that is painfully stitched up. Grown men and teens would be suffering intense pain. Now imagine a newborn infant, brand new to the world, with no understanding or reasoning going through the same torture as one of his very first experiences in all of his very short life and feelings in the world. His concept of the time as he struggles in intense pain is unknown. But a grown man being subjected to exactly the same surgeries with intense pain would find the amount of time necessary to complete these surgeries as a very long agony.

How would that violence and pain not imprint on his infant brain and affect all of his new pain sensing nerves in some significant and lasting way ? How would he feel and think about his genitals with this as his likely first significant nerve impulses from his sex organs and him with no understanding of how or why he is feeling such incredible and long lasting pain. Then add to this first pain the added pain of the healing time needed after his circumcision and that lengthy suffering in his genitals as his scalpel cuts and forcibly bared glans nerves and the cut roots of his highly nerved frenulum feel pain for weeks of healing. Time in pain that his sense of time cannot measure as its his whole newborn life and total existance has been spent in incredible and unrelenting genital pain !

[Paolo]

What I see, is that, generally men older than 35 are ready to take that life altering step. The older the easier the decision would be to make. Still many regret not being castrated earlier. Much earlier, including myself, despite I am not an eunuch yet.

When asked about when the interest about castration started, big part of respondents say that during puberty or as a young adult. And over the time that interest didn't fade, instead got more intense. Thats not a scientific approach, as it is difficult to get information from them, who lost that interest in castration soon after they got interested in it. They aren't with us.

As it is very odd and life altering, to get castrated, people want to be sure that they can't live without it. Only after a long time, seeing nothing get better, they decide finally to get castrated, and regret not getting it done earlier.

Now, getting castrated early in life, wouldn't allow to experience that life with endless desire to get castrated. Which sometimes seem quite agonizing. Also, there would be no beforehand knowledge or experience of downsides being castrated. So it might lead to thinking, that castration wasn't a right decision, and could lead to regretting becoming an eunuch, while endlessly delaying castration could be much worse. So you never know.

When I think back in my life, having the knowledge and experience I have now, I think I would have been happiest if I was castrated around 15-17. Very young indeed. But only if I had the knowledge and experience I have now. My life would have taken much different path. I would have been much different person. And much happier, knowing that I made a right decision at a right time.

The only way it could have happened at a right time is to have a right person beside me, helping me to understand what it really mean to become an eunuch. To help me to have a chemical trial period, to have some of my sperm frozen. Listen to my concerns, give me honest answers. And finally, if I am ready, help me to get it done safely. The other big problem is society... Probably I needed to invent some acceptably story, why I am an eunuch, in case someone asked or got to know that I am an eunuch. And after that just to embrace my new and happy eunuch life ahead. I had no such mentor in my life of course.

But that is not possible of course in our current society. I had to live years and years thinking that I am the only freak in the world wanting castration. And then endlessly hoping that desire would fade and I become a normal person. Which never happened of course. There is a counseling for transgender people, helping them to make right decision at a young age to minimize their suffering.

I understand that there are many reasons why castration desire exists, but it is very important for everyone to know the reason. As early as possible. Whether it is just another paraphilia to be castrated, to castrate, to have castrated partner or be castrated partner, or is it more related to self image, body dysphoria or gender dysphoria etc. Or mix of everything. That is important to know in order to make an informed decision that would lead to happy life.

So, what do you think, people?

Is it possible to make an informed decision about castration at early age?

If you were castrated at the right age, how you think your life looked like now?

Now, any thoughts on the originating subject of this thread?

[MikeGrant (imported)]

And that was?

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I think we were on topic discussing the only male genital mods currently done on lots of infants, boys, teens, and young men and how they feel about those mods years later and how they felt about their genital mods as boys. We can t discuss real world castrations of males at those ages since they rarely happen. Real

circumcisions and frenulum removals

are the closest real world genital surgeries we can talk about here in relation to young males and his post.

[Dekeldoh (imported)]

I absolutely agree with Begoneboy that cutting baby boys penises with zero painkillers for extended long circumcisions and frenulum removals that are far more prolonged and painful than any quick snip at birth. Such immense pain must be imprinted on our brains permanently as one of the most painful and intense physical experiences for all of us circumcised males after leaving the comfort and safety of the womb.

Imagine the pain a teen or grown man would feel from being forcibly tied down spread eagled, with no pain killers, his fully attached foreskin painfully pried loose from its natural adhesion and ripped from his sensative glans skin, then his foreskin painfully clamped, crushed, left in pain for minutes, and then cut off, and his nerve filled frenulum carved from deep in his penis skin and leaving a gaping hole that is painfully stitched up. Grown men and teens would be suffering intense pain. Now imagine a newborn infant, brand new to the world, with no understanding or reasoning going through the same torture as one of his very first experiences in all of his very short life and feelings in the world. His concept of the time as he struggles in intense pain is unknown. But a grown man being subjected to exactly the same surgeries with intense pain would find the amount of time necessary to complete these surgeries as a very long agony.

How would that violence and pain not imprint on his infant brain and affect all of his new pain sensing nerves in some significant and lasting way ? How would he feel and think about his genitals with this as his likely first significant nerve impulses from his sex organs and him with no understanding of how or why he is feeling such incredible and long lasting pain. Then add to this first pain the added pain of the healing time needed after his circumcision and that lengthy suffering in his genitals as his scalpel cuts and forcibly bared glans nerves and the cut roots of his highly nerved frenulum feel pain for weeks of healing. Time in pain that his sense of time cannot measure as its his whole newborn life and total existance has been spent in incredible and unrelenting genital pain !

While it is inhumane to circumcise non-consenting infants at all, I have to say this sounds dubious. I was circumcised at birth, although I still have 60-70% of my foreskin below the glans and presumably all of my frenulum. I certainly don't remember being in pain, so I have nothing to complain about there, and as for surgeries in adulthood... if I had a choice, I would've rather my orchiectomy been done without local, even if it meant twelve hours of excruciating pain and the surgeon repeatedly having to pause. Less drugs in my system, hooray!

Just as it is inhumane to perform surgeries on someone without their consent, it is inhumane to drug someone without their consent. I think you're getting distracted from the main point--the fact that circumcisions happen at all. Anesthetizing babies for circumcisions won't solve anything.

I also wonder if circumcisions even hurt that much compared to surgeries like orchiectomies. It doesn't hurt much to pinch the remainder of my foreskin, and presumably individuals with intact foreskins do all sorts of things with them. Cutting it with scissors doesn't sound that bad...

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I m guessing the prying of the adhered foreskin from the sensative glans and surgically digging out the entire frenulum would be the most painful parts, as well as healing up from those.

I can t remember my infant surgeries, but watch any video of infant surgery of these procedures and those babies are expressing the maximum pain and terror they are able to at that age. No way that intense pain and for that length of time being cut and in pain didn t impact my infant brain in some way.

This might be one possible explanation for why some males have such an intense initial sexual response to human castration with no prior conditioning or experience to explain such a significant initial reaction to human castration in males of many different ages. It not like that with amputating other body parts off men s bodies. Castration and penis removals seem to be more responsive than cutting off a man s other body parts as a sexual turn on for many males. That does not seem random.

Young boys and men seem to display far more curiousity and sexual excitement from castration and penis removal than from chopping off other body parts. Making them far more likely to seek out and agree to castrations at a young age than other amputations. Why such a difference ? What causes this very different interest in reaction in young males ? Possibly past intense sensations in his genitals as he was circumcised ? Maybe that is the past conditioning that triggers such sexual responses and curiousity in those genital mods in young males ?

[TgEunuch (imported)]

I too was circumcised right after birth and I have no memory or longing for my foreskin. But I do remember how lousy puberty was and how much I longed to be free of these unwanted man parts and how I wish that I was smooth down there. Almost 45 years later, the desire, need and wanting to be smooth has never gone away, in in fact it has gotten stronger. The only thing the is stopping me is getting the time needed for post-op recovery. It's the first item to be checked off on my retirement list.