Modern Castration - Are There Stages?

[TopManFL (imported)]

Being castrated used to be binary (much like being pregnant) - you either were or you were not. There's no such thing as being "very" pregnant.

But, with modern medicine and technology, it seems there are stages or levels of castration.

Chemical Castration

Using various medications or even combinations of medications either voluntary or court ordered chemical castration has become fairly common. Yet, there is no physical castration.

Also, in most cases chemical castration is reversible by just stopping the meds.

Physical Castration With HRT and Sperm Storage

There are men who just don't like having balls and want them gone. Others have suffered injury or cancer and have lost both testicles for non-voluntary reasons.

Yet, these men can avoid all of the physical downsides of being castrated.

HRT avoids changes in libido, hot flashes, bone loss, depression, body fat changes. For all practical purposes, the man would act and have sex exactly the same as before his castration.

Sperm storage insures that the man is still fertile and avoids the other change that castration brings.

In many ways a man who's lost his testicles, stored sperm before the operation and is on HRT hasn't changed that much. We wouldn't think of a man without a leg, one who'd had an appendectomy, one who'd had either his gallbladder or thyroid removed as less male - mostly because they'd not suffer infertility nor loss of hormones.

Physical Castration With HRT

A man who is 100% sure he'd never want to father children in the future might decide to not store sperm. Perhaps he already has children or maybe his age makes becoming a father far less appealing.

However, he might go on HRT - especially if he lost his testicles to cancer or injury.

Physical Castration Without HRT and Sperm Storage

A man who wants the eunuch calm, yet doesn't want to give up the ability to father children might decide to store sperm but not go on HRT.

Physical Castration Without HRT and Without Sperm Storeage

Is this the "purest" form of eunuch?

In the case of prostate cancer this is medically required for some men. Prostate cancer tends to be a disease of older men and so storing sperm is an option, but not normal.

For a man who truly wants to be a eunuch and a non-sexual being would keeping the option of becoming a father open be counter to his desires?

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

Excellent post. It is not just a yes or no situation with all these variations and choices.

For men with injured or damaged testicles, the degree of function is another variable in this wide spectrum of possibilities. As is how much and in which ways he is affected or changed both physically and mentally by the amount of function he has or doesn t have in each of his 2 testicles.

Lots of men lose one ball or have one sub functioning ball also, another stage of castration.

[Rafaella (imported)]

For me it felt like I went through 3 stages. Initially I was unmanned by mumps orchitis, by the time the infection had run it's course I was left with testicles like a pair of tiny shrivelled up prunes. At this stage I was a eunuch but didn't realize it. Subsequent tests showed that I was sterile and producing zero testosterone. After a month of hoping for something to improve I decided to bite the bullet and have the now useless nuts taken out to avoid further complications. The procedure was simple and quickly over with. At this stage I was a no balls eunuch but still felt like I was male. The final stage was deciding to have the empty scrotum removed. This was for aesthetic and comfort reasons but it also meant I couldn't fake it later with artificial nuts. Now that the scar has faded it looks like I never had balls in the first place. It''s obvious to anyone who sees me that I'm a eunuch. In a way this helped me come to terms with my castration. Although not exactly happy about it I've accepted it and am learning to deal with it.

[kastranja (imported)]

I think the reasons for (any form of "Modern Castration") cannot be left out. There are people that do not call it castration, and there are people that do not do it to become an eunuch (or do not call themselves that). One reason for example is the transition path of a trans woman - she would not call herself "eunuch", and she probably might talk of testectomy instead of castration.

I only want to say that I think it is too simplistic to look only at one aspect of castration, even as differentiated as you did, thanks TopManFL.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

For me it felt like I went through 3 stages. Initially I was unmanned by mumps orchitis, by the time the infection had run it's course I was left with testicles like a pair of tiny shrivelled up prunes. At this stage I was a eunuch but didn't realize it. Subsequent tests showed that I was sterile and producing zero testosterone. After a month of hoping for something to improve I decided to bite the bullet and have the now useless nuts taken out to avoid further complications. The procedure was simple and quickly over with. At this stage I was a no balls eunuch but still felt like I was male. The final stage was deciding to have the empty scrotum removed. This was for aesthetic and comfort reasons but it also meant I couldn't fake it later with artificial nuts. Now that the scar has faded it looks like I never had balls in the first place. It''s obvious to anyone who sees me that I'm a eunuch. In a way this helped me come to terms with my castration. Although not exactly happy about it I've accepted it and am learning to deal with it.

Congrats on handling your unwanted and unavoidable castration so well and taking it like a real man !

Removing your scrotum really shows everyone very clearly that you are a eunuch and proud of it. You made your decisions pretty fast and confidently, especially since you are so young. How did you decide to go without artificial balls and to remove your scrotum ? Those are certainly taking further steps into being an obvious eunuch to the whole world and openly declaring you are choosing to deal with it and not hide or fake it to avoid admitting you are a eunuch. That takes a lot of balls to do that as well as you have !

Its so great your girlfriend gets off that much on you being her young gelded colt ! That would warm any man s heart being so appreciated like that and valued for your body as a eunuch. And her making it sexy and a big turn on that you take being a eunuch so admirably and that you are willing to experience it as few men could handle and appreciate it in your place and how you became a eunuch by illness.

Had you ever thought about castration and your balls being castrated before mumps destroyed your balls ? What did you think of castration before it happened to you ? Did you have any past contact with castrated men to help prepare you to go through your stages so maturely and confidently ?

I took more than 3 months to get up the courage to see any dr at all about my injured balls. A medic buddy was as kind as he could be in saying, I think your balls are probably dead and drs can t do much for you now. I kept hoping my balls would heal up on their own. And I didn t want to face hearing a dr tell me about castration, emasculation, and wanting to castrate my balls when I finally did go to get my nuts checked out. I ve managed to keep my balls in my sack so far, even though drs say they are only partially working and that I ll likely be slowly castrated by the damage already done by many past testicular torsions.

Every man has his own way of going through the different stages of castration. I m fighting to hold mine off for as long as I can. But I greatly admire the men who can accept castration and thrive and not take it as a bad thing when it happens to them by choice or against their will.

What kind of reactions have you had from people seeing your missing balls and scrotum ?

Its very impressive that turning down artificial balls and having your empty scrotum removed has helped you move forward into accepting your new eunuch life and not hiding it or being ashamed of it and instead bravely embracing it and making the best of it. You are setting a great example for other men and eunuchs, even for all the men with balls to admire your attitude and coping so well with no balls.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I think the reasons for (any form of "Modern Castration") cannot be left out. There are people that do not call it castration, and there are people that do not do it to become an eunuch (or do not call themselves that). One reason for example is the transition path of a trans woman - she would not call herself "eunuch", and she probably might talk of testectomy instead of castration.

I only want to say that I think it is too simplistic to look only at one aspect of castration, even as differentiated as you did, thanks TopManFL.

I think TopManFL is just opening an interesting topic for discussion here and presenting his ideas from his own masculine point of view since he is not trans and isn t pretending to see this post from that viewpoint.

There are lots of trans members on here that can add to this post from their own differing viewpoints, which can vary a lot too. I agree with you that castration is different for a masculine male, or a male becoming a eunuch, than it is for a male transitioning to a female. The goals and motivations are different. And the final outcomes are very different for each.

I m guessing most trans males don t view it as castration in the same way masculine men and eunuchs do.

[Rafaella (imported)]

Thank you for your kind words and support. I decided very quickly not to have artificial nuts, I didn't want to pretend to be what I'm not. Actually that was an easy decision. Having the empty nutsac taken off was also about not faking it as well ss the aesthetic advantages. It was like saying I'm a eunuch and I'm not ashamed about to be one. Before my castration I'd never thought about it and didn't know anybody who had lost their balls. The biggest help by far was meeting my partner when I did. She made me feel that there is no shame in being a gelded male and that there are plenty of advantages.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

Thank you for your kind words and support. I decided very quickly not to have artificial nuts, I didn't want to pretend to be what I'm not. Actually that was an easy decision. Having the empty nutsac taken off was also about not faking it as well ss the aesthetic advantages. It was like saying I'm a eunuch and I'm not ashamed about to be one. Before my castration I'd never thought about it and didn't know anybody who had lost their balls. The biggest help by far was meeting my partner when I did. She made me feel that there is no shame in being a gelded male and that there are plenty of advantages.

I bet at your young age, being one of the only completely and fool proof sperm free males of your generation has lots of women seeing you as the perfect sex partner, even for just one night of fun !

For not having any information or contact with any eunuchs or any past thinking about being a eunuch or castration, you handled this way better than most men ever would. You didn t even know any eunuchs to compare with and observe or to prepare you for this. Seeing other eunuchs and how they handled it might have made it easier for you. But you are doing great without that.

[Begoneboy (imported)]

cutnbulls2ox: "

I agree with you that castration is different for a masculine male, or a male becoming a eunuch, than it is for a male transitioning to a female. The goals and motivations are different.

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Interesting that there are so many ways of looking at this topic begun by TopManFL. I probably don't quite follow the mtf transition thing but have always considered to each there own without judgment on my part. I've been harshly judged by society too often in life over how things turned out in my case. To be clear, as I chose to become eunuch I would have perhaps benefited from additional knowledge that wasn't really available to me at the time. My desire to no longer have those things hanging and banging between my legs was stronger than any other desire ever known by myself. While at the same time I NEVER had any desire whatsoever of becoming a female. They can be such a pain and had been during earlier years in my life. I'm not altogether certain that having a set of testosterone producing balls hanging on ourselves is what makes a real man or not. Being a real man is more about values and actions to back up those values. I've seen plenty of females that could out punch, out rope, out ride any male on the planet. But they were still female and had no manly values nor actions to back them up. Most females are overly controlling manipulative creatures without any concept of any other than themselves. Yes, perhaps I sound bitter on that topic. I am NOT female, I am not male, I am eunuch. But back to the topic. Since it is society that designated us as male or female at birth we are what society sees us as, male or female. The other part of the topic now necessarily would become how manly is a man? And can a eunuch be manly? Which begs the question of exactly how does society define manly? While I desired and became eunuch that doesn't indicate I became non sexual. Nor does it indicate I became or was transitioning to female. Since there is a difference between hormone replacement therapy and hormone therapy we should be careful in assuming one or the other as an indicator of desire. I did not want to replace the male hormones I lost with castration. While I took female hormones it did not mean I wanted to become female. I simply needed some help with the loss of energy, strength and stamina due to lack of hormones in my body. I made some errors and now live the results. Doesn't mean I was transitioning to female. We need to be careful in judging the motives of others. I've now embraced how I present. It's not possible to hide these things from society since they control what is acceptable in public. For example when breasts developed on my chest society required me to cover my chest in public. This requirement does not become imposed on a man without breasts. In the end we are still controlled by how society perceives us and society has no taste for the eunuch since it is not considered normal to be put into this box or that.

As to our personal desires, this is what I believe TopManFL refers and please correct me if I'm wrong. Our desire to be eunuch is for ourselves and not John-Q-Public to be aware of. Any more than John-Q-Public should be aware of what goes in in the privacy of ones bedroom. To be shouting it out on the street corner of "I'M GAY or I'M EUNUCH or I'M STRAIGHT" is none of societies business.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

Hey Begoneboy,

I agree with your post and your ideas. I think each man has his own goals and ideas of what he wants and it is a wide variety of different stages and variations which men can choose to reach or to stop at the ones they want.

Medically necessary castrations or the unintended loss of testicles or their function takes many choices away but still leaves the man in charge of how he reacts and deals with his life and any changes in his body. He gets to decide he how handles what happens and what he does with his life and body after that. As it should be.

I agree there is no need or point in indiscriminantly telling everyone if you are str8, gay, bi, trans, eunuch, or whatever. But TopManFL had a great thread posted here on the gay rights movement and how younger people can hardly imagine what it was like to be gay and officially persecuted and harrassed with no protection in the past. It took very brave and selfless people to expose themselves to real harm, prison, legal problems, and the wrath of an extremely intolerant and hateful society in that era to make any progress for todays population to enjoy safely.

This is why I celebrate men like Rafaella who are openly eunuchs or men without balls or trans men who brave an unfriendly culture to reveal who and what they are to strangers and in public to the degree they wish. It takes a brave castrated man to get naked in locker rooms, bathrooms, and showers with other men and boys or venture to nude beaches and saunas with no shame or embarrassment. They are breaking new ground for others to benefit from.

Any gay or bi man knows what its like to finally be lucky enough to be surrounded by friendly crowds of gay and bi men, and be able to openly kiss and show affection in public, dance, hold hands, embrace, and enjoy all the public affection str8 people enjoy and take for granted. One gay man very cleverly said he d never feel alone again after experiencing crowds of openly gay men in gay bars and gay neighborhoods.

Imagine how pleased and relieved a eunuch or a man with no balls, or a man in the process of transitioning to a female would feel by just seeing or hearing about men like Rafaella proudly showering and changing naked in a crowd of str8 men and no one hassles him or makes him feel uncomfortable in any way. All that fear of how others might react to a man with no balls or scrotum is shattered like a broken cage of ice. It opens the way for other less brave men and boys with one or both balls missing to confidently enjoy nudity with intact men and boys around them with no unwanted reactions or problems. They get to enjoy what other men and boys take for granted.

If castration became as open and common in public or in male places as tattoos and piercings have, the stigmas and wrong ideas about castration would be disappearing and balless males could openly enjoy their lives just like everyone else gets to do.

You are right that physical changes such as a male growing obviously female breasts and the questions of which bathroom to use for transitioning people and when to switch over to the opposite sex s bathrooms, locker rooms, and similar remain problematic and unpredictable at a minimum. When a man should cover his growing breasts isn t a simple yes or no question. A lot of trial and error will happen before it gets worked out by the majority of people and to the point of normalcy and comfort for everyone or at least most people.

[TopManFL (imported)]

I only want to say that I think it is too simplistic to look only at one aspect of castration, even as differentiated as you did, thanks TopManFL.

I actually considered making a note in the original post about castration as a step to SRS or just for it's feminizing effects. Many females that were born with male genitals don't ever go past the castration stage and live a life openly as female.

I left out castration for trans purposes because the post was about the effects of modern technology on eunuchs and as you pointed out in post #4, a trans female who gets a castration isn't a eunuch - they are female, always have been female and the fact that the doctor looked between their legs at birth and said, "congrats it's a boy" doesn't change that fact.

Sperm storage and hormone replacement do add a wrinkle to castration for MTE individuals. In years past a man might have identified as MTE as gender. Nevertheless, he might have never gotten the castration to avoid the effects of being infertile and without hormones.

Regarding the storage of sperm (basically genetic material), I wonder how many MTF store sperm prior to starting transition as a way to be able to produce biological children in the future.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I m guessing few men take advantage of sperm banking.

There are not that many sperm banks in most countries. But now you can get on the internet and order do it yourself sperm collection and frozen shipping for men who live far from any sperm banks, and its cheaper in cost than shooting in person at a sperm bank.

Lots of men should be banking sperm as a usual part of their jobs. All military men should be set up to donate healthy sperm in boot camp and have it completed by the time they finish boot camp. It should be part of the paid benefits for all men in hazardous jobs like policemen, firemen, utility workers, construction, and any high heat exposure jobs like oil rig workers and manufacturing exposures to heat and sperm harming chemicals.

I was very impressed in the lead up to the first gulf wars in seeing news reports of young military men going to sperm banks on their own and paying to have their sperm frozen and banked before the battles started. They set a great example for men in all hazardous jobs to follow.

Men into rough cbt and castration play would be wise to bank some of their healthy sperm before they get too extreme with their balls. Its costs around $1000 to $1500 to get set up initially and then around $400 to $600 a year to keep your sperm stored in a deep freeze sperm bank. Not much more than men spend on one vacation.

There have been some melt downs of sperm banks from power outages and similar accidents that ruined all the stored sperm and fertilized ovums in their freezers. So, men should bank at different sperm banks in areas less likely to have meltdowns and far apart to have a greater chance of having healthy sperm to thaw when they want to become fathers.

Its great technology that men into castration and risky work don t take advantage of enough. If more men routinely used sperm banking, the costs would get lower for all men.

[Begoneboy (imported)]

cutnbulls2ox: "

This is why I celebrate men like Rafaella who are openly eunuchs or men without balls or trans men who brave an unfriendly culture to reveal who and what they are to strangers and in public to the degree they wish. It takes a brave castrated man to get naked in locker rooms, bathrooms, and showers with other men and boys or venture to nude beaches and saunas with no shame or embarrassment. They are breaking new ground for others to benefit from.

Any gay or bi man knows what its like to finally be lucky enough to be surrounded by friendly crowds of gay and bi men, and be able to openly kiss and show affection in public, dance, hold hands, embrace, and enjoy all the public affection str8 people enjoy and take for granted. One gay man very cleverly said he d never feel alone again after experiencing crowds of openly gay men in gay bars and gay neighborhoods.

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You're correct of course in celebrating folks like Rafaella and I do as well. I must say however that perhaps the gay or bi man while suffering years of bigotry and prejudice from society doesn't make it ok for them to practice the same towards others. And shouting on the rooftop of a persons gender to society doesn't make society any more acceptable to the ideas. If anything it further enforces the prejudice they already hold so dear. I've been asked to leave virtually every gay bath house I've managed to visit over the years because gay men could not be comfortable with a gelded man who had breasts on his chest. To me this is a double standard within the gay community. If the gay community wants to be treated equally as any other person they need to learn how to treat all as equals. Straight people do not go shouting on the rooftops they are straight. Nor do they boast on the street corners what they do in the bedroom. Gay men and women should follow the same concepts. Two wrongs do not make a right. I feel the exact same way about people of color. There is not a single person of color in America today who was a slave nor were their parents or grandparents. So stop already with the white man keeps me down. A person either keeps themselves down or stands out in their efforts of life. Nobody else is to blame for our outlook on life. We get to choose for ourselves. Sometimes our choices are difficult and lead to suffering at the hands of others but they were our choices to be made and it is our future to be enjoyed.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

Hi Begoneboy,

I agree with most of what you are saying here.

People will always have some jerks in any and every group, no matter what.

There are lots of situations in which I feel uncomfortable or out of place and lacking potential hookups as a very masculine and not out or obvious gay man. Some places are catering to a more feminine gay crowd, some moderate, and some to butch men. I m always thankful to see a leather Eagles gay bar in a town when I visit.

Gyms are the same way, they each have their own kind of members and attitudes. Some match what I like, some are passable, some you turn around and walk out as soon as you get the wrong impressions.

As a nullo, you are breaking into territory that most people fear and can t understand. Many people react by pushing away if they fear and can t understand. That s just a common human response to fear and confusion.

I m guessing that you get more understanding and acceptance from gay groups than from female or straight groups. But then, you don t get naked with those groups to test my hunch. So, its just speculation by me.

I do think str8 people trumpet their sexuality in public all the time with public displays of affection, openly heterosexual events, advertising, dances, bars, weddings, almost everything you can imagine. I don t resent that. They are openly celebrating their society sanctioned, encouraged, and supported sexuality in ways that gay and bi people will likely never experience.

In the vast majority of small towns and rural areas of the USA, even today, being obviously gay or openly affectionate to any member of your own sex is inviting big trouble from the locals in the form of harrassment and violence. We are stuck living with the limitations of people around us many times if we don t want to be hassled. Just like your chest uncovered in public. The hassles outweight arguing its a male chest and explaining the details to every person taking offense at your bare chest. Its much easier and less hassle to you to just cover your chest than to battle over it with endless people.

My main point was to celebrate other males of whatever sexual choice, seeing men with no balls openly in male only showers, locker rooms, saunas, bathrooms, etc. Who are not embarrassed and not ashamed to be nutless and still functioning as masculine men, str8, gay, bi, whatever.

If you read health forums online, men, and especially teens and boys who lose one or both balls to injuries or illness are filled with fear, shame, embarrassment, and all kinds of wrong images of what missing one or two balls will do to them and what people will think of them. Those males seeing a balless male showering openly would feel great relief and see that most people will accept men with no balls without any hassles or quizzing them on how they lost their ball or both balls. Most wrongly think they are the only male missing one or both balls and worry they cannot be men without having 2 balls swinging between their legs. Seeing manly eunuchs would be very helpful for males with those worries, fears, and feelings.

My guess is that when you are discriminated against by gay bathouses and similar places, its because their customers are there seeking sex with men and seeking out sex with men s dicks and balls openly. Underaged guys would be rejected for the same reason, no dick and balls to legally offer to their customers for sex. The underaged males are fully hung and equipped. But legally off limits to their paying customers for sex. Useless as customers to that business, useless to their customers for having sex, and potential legal troubles. I would avoid a bathouse or gay bar that admitted underaged males as a legal risk. I want adult males for sex, not jail bait boys hanging around and witnessing grown men s sex acts as a minor. These businesses are selling and making money offering sex with legal aged men with cocks and balls. Anything else doesn t make them money. Its that simple. A place catering to feminine males would let me know I m not welcome and I m taking up their valuable space and making their chosen customers uncomfortable in being openly masculine which is not what their business is selling, and not what their customers want to spend the night with. To each his own. I d be wasting my time in those places and generating resentment and discomfort for most of their customers. No fun for them, no fun for me. Its best to seek my fun where I m wanted and appreciated instead. Same with me going to most straight bars, saunas, resorts, and public events. I m hunting in the wrong places for what I want and seek if I go there lol !