castration without transition

[readtnow (imported)]

Im an older man thinking of obtaining a castration surgery. I do not want to transition and would continue life as a man. I have enjoyed the lower testosterone levels in my later years and would welcome a zero T condition or minimal treatment. I also like the appearance of men without testicles. I think the positive effects of castration outway the negative for men in my stage of life. Anyone know how common my situation is? Has anyone my age moved forward with castration and like to comment?

[catoboros (imported)]

Welcome! You have come to the right place.

The members of the forum seem to be older on average and physically transition later than the general MtF population. This 2016 study reported average age at castration of 43.4 years and average age 49.7 years:

https://www.smoa.jsexmed.org/article/S2 ... 6/fulltext

This seems much older than the general MtF transgender population, which anecdotally transitions at ages peaking in the 20s. Many have surgery much later or never. Orchidectomy is common amongst MtF, but not universal. A minority have SRS.

My impression is that many of those here continue to identify as men after castration. Most of the men and eunuchs seem to be birth-gender-conforming, that is, continue to live as men. A minority socially transition to living as women.

[2barbells (imported)]

Welcome! You are not alone! We are roughly the same age, and I will be starting chemical castration in a couple weeks with a goal of bilateral orchie within the next year or so, depending on how the chemical trial goes. I also have low T and have adjusted very well to it, so I'm hoping the transition following castration goes well. @catoboros I am looking forward to checking out your link when I have a bit more time.

[GordonGG (imported)]

Im an older man thinking of obtaining a castration surgery. I do not want to transition and would continue life as a man. I have enjoyed the lower testosterone levels in my later years and would welcome a zero T condition or minimal treatment. I also like the appearance of men without testicles. I think the positive effects of castration outway the negative for men in my stage of life. Anyone know how common my situation is? Has anyone my age moved forward with castration and like to comment?

I am one such man like yourself. I started Spironolactone in July of 2018 at the age of 66 and liked what it was doing in lowering my T and releasing me from the sexual drive that I've been plagued with my whole life. In December of October of 2018 I added Estradiol to the mix. I liked it also. I like what it did to my mental state. I was calmer and more in touch with my wife and emotions. In February of 2019 I had an orchiectomy and stopped the Spiro. I'm very happy with the outcome, and glad I did it. I just wish that I had done it at least a decade ago. Oh, and I present male, even though the state in which I reside says that I can change my ID to female with the orchiectomy. I don't want to do that.

[Losethem (imported)]

Welcome! You have come to the right place.

The members of the forum seem to be older on average and physically transition later than the general MtF population. This 2016 study reported average age at castration of 43.4 years and average age 49.7 years:

https://www.smoa.jsexmed.org/article/S2 ... 6/fulltext

I think the higher age here is because the younger generation consumes the Internet differently than how the EA is set-up.

[AnneK_TG (imported)]

I am also an older male. I've been on Estradiol for almost 8 months and Dutasteride for another couple of years, so I don't have much T. In Ontario, where I live, castration and other GRS is available after a year on hormones and 2 assessments, so that's something I'm seriously considering.

[jamiepan (imported)]

I think the higher age here is because the younger generation consumes the Internet differently than how the EA is set-up.

Very true. I'm quite active online and the EA, while it feels perfectly natural to me and in fact has been an incredibly stable/solid website for at least a few years, young folks would see it as dated.

And this is entirely a good thing.

If this site got flashy, started going for a modern/hip look and worked to attract the twitter/facebook/reddit crowd, well, that'd be the end of it. Kaput within 6 months, I guarantee it.

I'm barely a real participant here so my input means nothing but I LOVE this place being a little quiet corner of the web.

[sividrius (imported)]

I would expect the first place to start is with your doctor. If That isn't what you're looking for, you can try some other options, but keep in mind if anything goes wrong you'll end up back at a doctor. From personal experience I find the burdizzo uncomfortable, but ineffective. I've tried it numerous times (thinking of trying the longer handled type next, but afraid of infection and nerve damage). The bands hurt worse, and I've heard they can slip off if you're not careful. If you can get a qualified person to do what you need (embrace who you know you are inside) then I would recommend that you seek a competent medical professional you trust.

[readtnow (imported)]

I am one such man like yourself. I started Spironolactone in July of 2018 at the age of 66 and liked what it was doing in lowering my T and releasing me from the sexual drive that I've been plagued with my whole life. In December of October of 2018 I added Estradiol to the mix. I liked it also. I like what it did to my mental state. I was calmer and more in touch with my wife and emotions. In February of 2019 I had an orchiectomy and stopped the Spiro. I'm very happy with the outcome, and glad I did it. I just wish that I had done it at least a decade ago. Oh, and I present male, even though the state in which I reside says that I can change my ID to female with the orchiectomy. I don't want to do that.

I can identify with being plaugued all my life. Feeling angered, hostel, frustrated, and constantly thinking about sex. I am interested in how effective chemical castration is compared to orchiectomy. I have a blood clotting disorder so chemical may not be a good choice for me. Do you know if having one testicle would reduce testosterone or will the remaining one output more to compensate.

[readtnow (imported)]

Welcome! You are not alone! We are roughly the same age, and I will be starting chemical castration in a couple weeks with a goal of bilateral orchie within the next year or so, depending on how the chemical trial goes. I also have low T and have adjusted very well to it, so I'm hoping the transition following castration goes well. @catoboros I am looking forward to checking out your link when I have a bit more time.

Isn't it great to have relief from testosterone and have clarity. I don't know if chemical castration is for me with all the side effects and warnings.

I hope your transition goes well.

[GordonGG (imported)]

I can identify with being plaugued all my life. Feeling angered, hostel, frustrated, and constantly thinking about sex. I am interested in how effective chemical castration is compared to orchiectomy. I have a blood clotting disorder so chemical may not be a good choice for me. Do you know if having one testicle would reduce testosterone or will the remaining one output more to compensate.

Chemical in my opinion is close to chemical castration, but not as effective. I was on 100 mg/Spiro two times a day, and my T was at 114, after my orchi it dropped to 18. Perhaps if I was on more Spiro it would have been lower, but the side effects of Spiro I didn't like at all. My last blood test the T is now at 10

No, having just one testicle will not reduce your T. The one left will make up for it.

[readtnow (imported)]

Chemical in my opinion is close to chemical castration, but not as effective. I was on 100 mg/Spiro two times a day, and my T was at 114, after my orchi it dropped to 18. Perhaps if I was on more Spiro it would have been lower, but the side effects of Spiro I didn't like at all. My last blood test the T is now at 10

No, having just one testicle will not reduce your T. The one left will make up for it.

Are you taking testosterone treatments now? What are you doing for bone density loss?

[notsomanly (imported)]

I'm another older member who found my way to the bliss of low T. I didn't like the side effects of Androcur so I've done CaCl2 injections to permanently lower T. It's not in the castrate range as yet (test is forthcoming) but taking estradiol and progesterone has likely lowered T a lot. Like GordonGG I vastly prefer estradiol (and progesterone) to enhance my mental state and hopefully preserve bone structure. Prolonged exposure to the female hormones should continue to promote atrophy of my penis and testicles. I've been surprisingly happy with developing breasts even though I have no desire to transition to female. I will be fine with a more feminine appearance if that continues to happen. I still feel male, but as an improved and happier model.

[readtnow (imported)]

I am also an older male. I've been on Estradiol for almost 8 months and Dutasteride for another couple of years, so I don't have much T. In Ontario, where I live, castration and other GRS is available after a year on hormones and 2 assessments, so that's something I'm seriously considering.

Is hormone therapy really nessesary after castration? Don't get why they made you jump through hoops before your allowed to modify your body.

[catoboros (imported)]

Is hormone therapy really nessesary after castration? Don't get why they made you jump through hoops before your allowed to modify your body.

Physicians have a duty of care. Nonbinary people (amongst which I include eunuchs) do not fit the guidelines developed for binary transgender people, but acceptance is now widespread amongst the medical profession. At least we do not have the old Harry Benjamin live-as-the-opposite-sex-for-two-years hurdle, which was unobtainable for nonbinary people. There are several examples, including well-known desister James Shupe, first legal nonbinary in the US, who transitioned before being diagnosed with bipolar, borderline, and PTSD. Having assessments and psychotherapy has been good for me; most of my problems are not gender-related. Mental health support is recommended but not required by WPATH SoC v7.

Without hormone therapy after castration, you will be at risk of osteoporosis, depression, weight gain and associated conditions including unhealthy lipids and diabetes. The link between hypogonadism and diabetes is not clear as to its cause, because some types of diabetes including type one can have late onset and are thought to be autoimmune, and testosterone is an immune suppressant (women have 4x the risk of Graves' disease, for example). Risks can be reduced by diet, weight-bearing exercise, lifestyle, and so on. Monitoring is key. Consider a dexa bone mineralisation test. I plan to try no T to see if I like it; I am committed to close medical monitoring.

[catoboros (imported)]

Do you know if having one testicle would reduce testosterone or will the remaining one output more to compensate.

The pituitary will increase LH to boost the output of the remaining testicle to compensate. After testicular cancer and removal of one testicle, I had normal T with one remaining testicle, but developed subclinical hypogonadism after a recurrence and 12 weeks of chemo.

[catoboros (imported)]

If this site got flashy, started going for a modern/hip look and worked to attract the twitter/facebook/reddit crowd

I hate to break it to you, but facebook is for ancient people, many twitter/reddit people are middle-aged like me, and all the hip young people are on TikTok. The thing that terrifies me about the big social media companies is that they actively censor LGBT content to meet the requirements of their advertisers and the Chinese Communist Party. Old school websites like EA are a haven.

[GordonGG (imported)]

Are you taking testosterone treatments now? What are you doing for bone density loss?

Nope, taking estradiol. I didn't like the testosterone. I've never been a "manly" man anyhow.

[mattman59 (imported)]

Welcome readtnow! You have most certainly come to the right place. Well if you enjoy having a low T level in your later years then it sounds like you are definitely a candidate for an orchiectomy. I was 44 almost 45 when I was castrated by Dr. Murray Kimmel in Philadelphia back in 2004. It was the best thing I have ever done in my life. Nothing else comes anywhere close. I greatly enjoy having a lower sex drive, less body hair, the eunuch calmness, etc. I suggest you talk to your doctor and he can refer you to the right specialist and get the ball rolling. Since you are older and are feeling the lower sex drive due to aging, chemical castration might not even be necessary. You could go straight to the physical castration. But still it would be best not to rush things too fast and follow the advice of the doctors as long as they are open-minded. Unfortunately many of them are not so maybe get a 2nd or even a 3rd opinion. Be determined and committed to what you want and you will get the desired results and come off victorious. It is a very good thing that EA has an older crowd. It is very solid and stable. No need for any 'flashiness' or 'fanciness' that too many young people would bring in here. It is fine just the way it is and once again welcome. If you have any more questions then feel free to ask. We will be more than happy to answer them for you.

[AnneK_TG (imported)]

Is hormone therapy really nessesary after castration? Don't get why they made you jump through hoops before your allowed to modify your body.

You need either E or T for bone strength. Compared to some other places, that's quite easy. However, that is for transgender. I have no idea about those who just want to get castrated, without hormones, etc.

[AnneK_TG (imported)]

but facebook is for ancient people

I've never been on it. I'm not a Twit either.

[readtnow (imported)]

I would expect the first place to start is with your doctor. If That isn't what you're looking for, you can try some other options, but keep in mind if anything goes wrong you'll end up back at a doctor. From personal experience I find the burdizzo uncomfortable, but ineffective. I've tried it numerous times (thinking of trying the longer handled type next, but afraid of infection and nerve damage). The bands hurt worse, and I've heard they can slip off if you're not careful. If you can get a qualified person to do what you need (embrace who you know you are inside) then I would recommend that you seek a competent medical professional you trust.

I have already found a doctor to perform my castration. I would recommend that anyone seeking castration services should do so with a medical professional licensed doctor. There is no longer a need for unsafe methods.

[Misha2020 (imported)]

I was asked a question about castration after effects and I turn to you all for your insight. I have been friends with a 23yo Filipino man for quite a while. He is transitioning to become a 'ladyboy'--not for the sex trade. He wants to be surgically castrated but is concerned about ED and ejaculation. He likes sex and he is torn between his desire and his fear of losing his ability to enjoy sex. I said I would ask some 'friends' and get back to him. It seems to me that taking testosterone after he stops his breast growth might be helpful, but I have no real understanding as to what to expect. Thanks for any info you can give me.

[Begoneboy (imported)]

Is hormone therapy really nessesary after castration? Don't get why they made you jump through hoops before your allowed to modify your body.

a year or two after castration I absolutely noticed a loss of strength, endurance and stamina without hormone replacement. Which caused me to study it more and fortunately I began adding hormones to my body. I happened to choose "E" because I had no desire to replace the "T" I had taken drastic steps to eliminate. I quickly regained the strength, stamina and endurance and thankfully making that choice to add hormones staged off bone loss. So yes, there is a medical need for some hormone input. But get a medical professionals advice and help in order to stay healthy. I didn't get doctors help with hormone replacement and have paid the price for it.

It is the religious control stranglehold over society that makes it so difficult for us to modify our bodies how we want.

By the way, I am part of the overall age group of the majority of our members here but became castrated in my early 30s. Being in my early 60s now and very active with no castration related health issues pretty much speaks for the positive effects and need for some form of hormone replacement. I live as Me. Not a male or a female but as myself. How others consider me is not my concern. Contrary to what some folks think I did NOT have gender reassignment surgery. (GRS) If anything one could get away with saying I had gender elimination surgery since I did not reassign from MtF or FtM. I still consider myself male since I still have a prostate and do not nor ever have had a uterus nor vagina or ovaries.

[notsomanly (imported)]

a year or two after castration I absolutely noticed a loss of strength, endurance and stamina without hormone replacement. Which caused me to study it more and fortunately I began adding hormones to my body. I happened to choose "E" because I had no desire to replace the "T" I had taken drastic steps to eliminate. I quickly regained the strength, stamina and endurance and thankfully making that choice to add hormones staged off bone loss. So yes, there is a medical need for some hormone input. But get a medical professionals advice and help in order to stay healthy. I didn't get doctors help with hormone replacement and have paid the price for it.

It is the religious control stranglehold over society that makes it so difficult for us to modify our bodies how we want.

By the way, I am part of the overall age group of the majority of our members here but became castrated in my early 30s. Being in my early 60s now and very active with no castration related health issues pretty much speaks for the positive effects and need for some form of hormone replacement. I live as Me. Not a male or a female but as myself. How others consider me is not my concern. Contrary to what some folks think I did NOT have gender reassignment surgery. (GRS) If anything one could get away with saying I had gender elimination surgery since I did not reassign from MtF or FtM. I still consider myself male since I still have a prostate and do not nor ever have had a uterus nor vagina or ovaries.

HRT with estradiol in women is generally considered to work for a limited period, 5 years or so, before becoming less effective. Perhaps this fade doesn't happen in men like yourself. Have you ever tried stopping the E for a month or two to see if negative effects start to develop? I was off of estradiol plus progesterone for about a month and I was definitely feeling less vigorous and mentally dulled. Resumed the hormones and I'm back to terrific.