BodMod misstatements and other annoyances

[Losethem (imported)]

Maybe I've been around too long. Perhaps I'm overly sensitive, but I can't be the only one who cringes when they see the following:

Elasticator

Neuterectomy

Mascunull

Orchidectomy

Burdezzo

Penisectomy

Referring to alcohol or other caustic injections as chemical castration.

Folks taking a single dose of Androcur and wondering why they've not gone to castrate testosterone levels yet (this one I blame our I WANT IT NOW society for).

And don't get me started on the folks who call themselves eunuchs, nullos, or penectomized who have NOT gone through the surgery to do so. Go through the pain of actually removing something and I'll gladly welcome you to the club. Until then, you're aspirant/wannabe.

These are all things I've seen just today in my random wanderings around our mutual interests here.

Anyone else who has actually crossed the finish line on these things have anything to add?

[Valery_V (imported)]

I am asexual and preferred "pain during surgical removal of genitals".

I got used to lack at me of genitals and I like it esthetically.

Most of people tries to keep the natural look, to reduce sexual potential some...

[AcordingIP (imported)]

Yes it is annoying. I risk your wrath here, as I'm not yet nullo but scheduled to be in early November. Her Magesty's passport office and the popularity of the clinic are clearly conspiring.

Fantasies are fine and should be welcomed, even encouraged. Yet the line must be drawn somewhere.

And whilst we're on the subject, heartburn medication does not shrink your cock. So please, all of you, stop it.

[AcordingIP (imported)]

And you'll need at least two months of heavy Androcur medication to notice results. 200mg/day min. Yes I've done it. Yes I know. Anything else and you have an expensive prophylactic.

[dee2essohkay (imported)]

there is the nightmare of having a portion of one's dissociated mind taking steps to get rid of parts regardless of safety. I've been to the ER so many times. I've done reconstructive surgery. and none of this was casual. none of it was fun. I sat there and watched me doing these things to myself and I couldn't stop it. I was all set to do the orchi myself if I couldn't get it done medically safely. I had an elastrator and bands picked out. I really did not believe I'd be able to convince a doctor to do it. and I had been in a group therapy program shortly before and the topic of me and what I wanted to do with my balls kept comong up and don't think anyone believed me. but I did get it verifiably done in a hospital setting in an OR. in March. just the orchi. more stuff still needs to go. I'm working on the safe way, but until I get a doctor to do it there still is the danger of doing it myself. it's not threats. it's not sensationalization. it's a raging war inside. one day I will cross the finish line. believe me when I say, I do want it to be done in a medically safe way, but I want it done in any way more. whatever terms I use are sincere. I believe that for at least some wannabees, there is a war raging in them too. I don't think castration and the rest is a casual thing. I just always wish the system, the society would wake up and realea lot of us need the help. I don't know. maybe it's just me.

[AcordingIP (imported)]

Somewhat off topic maybe?

[Valery_V (imported)]

Fantasies are fine and should be welcomed, even encouraged. Yet the line must be drawn somewhere.

And whilst we're on the subject, heartburn medication does not shrink your cock. So please, all of you, stop it.

You, like me, seem to me to be an extreme volunteer .

Most people have serious medical problems that need to be discussed.

It also seems to me that some people don't need a quick result, they are fascinated by the process of research...

[AcordingIP (imported)]

Indeed. That age old adage springs to mind: Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive. Personally, I embrace the journey and the result. You are fortunate enough to be a nullo. I will join you.

[WheelyCurious]

Maybe I've been around too long. Perhaps I'm overly sensitive, but I can't be the only one who cringes when they see the following:

Elasticator

Neuterectomy

Mascunull

Orchidectomy

Burdezzo

Penisectomy

Referring to alcohol or other caustic injections as chemical castration.

Folks taking a single dose of Androcur and wondering why they've not gone to castrate testosterone levels yet (this one I blame our I WANT IT NOW society for).

And don't get me started on the folks who call themselves eunuchs, nullos, or penectomized who have NOT gone through the surgery to do so. Go through the pain of actually removing something and I'll gladly welcome you to the club. Until then, you're aspirant/wannabe.

These are all things I've seen just today in my random wanderings around our mutual interests here.

Anyone else who has actually crossed the finish line on these things have anything to add?

Largely I agree, but would point out that "Orchidectomy" is a CORRECT alternative spelling of the surgery - looking for it w/ Startpage returns a LOT of results from medical clinics and other such places that would (hopefully) know how the word is spelled... A quick scan of the sites listed w/ that spelling looks like many are UK / AU so it looks like yet another instance of 'Brits talking funny'

While I agree that there is a difference between chemical and surgical castration, I think that if someone has done chemicals to the point of (confirmed by test) castrate level, as I have, then he is more than just "aspirant/wannabe" even if not all the way into the surgical club...

I wasn't sure until my latest T test a few days ago, but I definitely fit the class of "Chemical Eunuch" at least, even if I haven't seen any noticeable changes other than the test...

(BTW, I don't know how the "FQM" tag under my icon on posts got there, I've never touched that bit that I know of...)

WheelyCurious

[Valery_V (imported)]

(BTW, I don't know how the "FQM" tag under my icon on posts got there, I've never touched that bit that I know of...)

WheelyCurious

As far as I understand the term the "FQM" is assigned automatically depending on the number of your posts (of course, if the administrator does not mind).

[kristoff]

Largely I agree, but would point out that "Orchidectomy" is a CORRECT alternative spelling of the surgery - looking for it w/ Startpage returns a LOT of results from medical clinics and other such places that would (hopefully) know how the word is spelled... A quick scan of the sites listed w/ that spelling looks like many are UK / AU so it looks like yet another instance of 'Brits talking funny'

While I agree that there is a difference between chemical and surgical castration, I think that if someone has done chemicals to the point of (confirmed by test) castrate level, as I have, then he is more than just "aspirant/wannabe" even if not all the way into the surgical club...

I wasn't sure until my latest T test a few days ago, but I definitely fit the class of "Chemical Eunuch" at least, even if I haven't seen any noticeable changes other than the test...

(BTW, I don't know how the "FQM" tag under my icon on posts got there, I've never touched that bit that I know of...)

WheelyCurious

The system automatically makes such listings, although they can be changed.

[dee2essohkay (imported)]

also, these are not common words from everyday speech. i'd guess that people just dig into their memories about the info they've seen rather than go back and look it up.

either caustic or alcohol when injected it's "bad" so they are easy to lump as one thing.

as for chemical castration chemicals, to me (sorry all) i think that chemical castration is just an easy way out. and sorry to WPATH too for that matter. i believe when it comes to elective castration, doing the real thing with doctor and knife is the best and only way to go. certainly it is if you are someone similar to me where the need for permanent castration has been a constant theme in my life, there was no doubt in my life that even the result of regretting the result (after surgical castration) would be way better than testing it out first and being cautious. i know i'd have easily backed out with chemical when i should not have had that opportunity. i was very ready. i was completely ok with the permanence without ever having been on estrogen - or T blockers or any other category that i may be omitting here,

as for calling one's self something that they may not actually already be, yeah, i think i agree here, and incidentally, there is a cat food called nulo and i can't help wondering... and not to mention nutella. for whom are these intended !?

as for pain, i had none but emotional pain before the surgery and much emotional and physical pain during several self inflicted episodes - that did not produce castration. when i did get the surgery it was painless. but after when it was already a permanent thing, that is when the pain started and no one warned me about that. it's all healed now, but it hurts like fuck generally all the time and apparently my surgeon did not think that that is a thing to be concerned with. so for me at least, pain was not a thing to consider when calling myself whatever it is that i do. i think wanting and being can both make a person feel as if he is.

as far as testicle removal is concerned, i've crossed that "finish" line, but i am by no means finished with surgery or E treatment. and yes, i realize that my talk is tinged with exasperation and frustration and misdirected anger. i am sorry that that is the way i usually end up presenting myself but in the present healthcare system that does not believe that my needs are of any importance, i do find myself having to be that squeaky wheel and sometimes misdirecting my anger (sorry) just happens. this is not such an easy course to take especially since it seems the only one to take or taking none at all but the course of a lack of self control.

[Losethem (imported)]

For what it's worth, I'm fine with fantasy seekers, etc. so long as they state such and don't use me as their plaything. For me when they do that, it's the height of disrespect. Get to know me a bit and maybe I'll indulge your fantasy.

I also know that I started as a wannabe, and respect those who sincerely want but have not had the surgery yet, but considering how painful this is to go through I find it offensive people call themselves nullo, eunuch, etc. without having gone through the pain of having the surgery.

I've seen recently several folks (around half a dozen) on various sites saying they're a nullo, a eunuch, and then saying they've not had the surgery yet.

The only exception to the surgery and calling yourself something I see is physician prescribed chemical castration, used as a means to determine if a male will ultimately have his testicles removed for libido reduction/elimination.

Now, these are only my views, and I'm glad you've all shared yours.

[WheelyCurious]

Well I think I've been quite upfront about my goals and progress towards them... I think that at this point I'm legitimate in calling myself a 'chemical eunuch' given my last test...

Since I'm not yet 'fully qualified' I have made what I think is a suitable modification to the Icon label that more accurately reflects my current state...

WheelyCurious

[magusuk89 (imported)]

As a Very British Person (TM) I can confirm that 'orchidectomy' is correct British English, and 'orchiectomy' is not correct in the UK -- It is indeed a difference dictated by where the red, white and blue occurs on the flag.

Another Old English peculiarity is we have the term spado (pl. spadones) for a testiculated person with life-limiting testicular pathologies and/or confirmed untreatable infertility. My impression was that this nuance was considered fusty though, hence folk umbrella-ing 'eunuch' to cover all.

[catoboros (imported)]

As a Very British Person (TM) I can confirm that 'orchidectomy' is correct British English, and 'orchiectomy' is not correct in the UK -- It is indeed a difference dictated by where the red, white and blue occurs on the flag.

And I can confirm that "orchidectomy" is the term used where the red, white, and blue form a Southern Cross with four red stars within four white stars.

[Paolo]

I don't wish to thread-jack on LT here, but I must know: How does one get to be a very British person?

[Losethem (imported)]

I don't wish to thread-jack on LT here, but I must know: How does one get to be a very British person?

OMG! I could do sterotypes, but I'm not sure a stereotype war is in order. While it might be fun as long as everyone took it that way, I could see it going off the rails, easily.

Though I hope a very British person isn't anything similar to how I view a very American person. I'd cringe at that. LOL

[Valery_V (imported)]

...

I must know: How does one get to be a very British person?

I'm sorry, maybe this is off topic. I remembered a very old joke about a very real Briton (maybe even a lord).

* * *

An English gentleman is sitting in his office.

A servant runs in and says excitedly:

"Sir, flash flood... River..."

But the lord interrupts him: "James, please gather yourself and convey the message calmly and with dignity!

James steps outside, then opens the door again and calmly states.

"Sir, I'm honored to introduce you to the River Thames."

[Valery_V (imported)]

I am asexual and preferred "pain during surgical removal of genitals".

I got used to lack at me of genitals and I like it esthetically.

Most of people tries to keep the natural look, to reduce sexual potential some...

Now, in order to get "pleasure from pain", I have to stretch.

Ha ha, I want to recommend to those interested ...

For some reason, I'm sure that this guy's sexual potential (see video below) will definitely decrease for some time .

* * *

Stretching "I'm happy because it hurts".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15eDgp1 ... =KBalletTV

[magusuk89 (imported)]

I don't wish to thread-jack on LT here, but I must know: How does one get to be a very British person?

1500 years (at least) on this drizzly island... hundreds of years of folk music in the family moaning about the drizzle.

[Arab Nights (imported)]

Ah, now I understand why there is such a strong English-Scottish strain in east Tennessee. Tell me, in addition to rain do that hundreds of years of folk music also talk about Mom, prison, pickup trucks and getting drunk?

[magusuk89 (imported)]

Ah, now I understand why there is such a strong English-Scottish strain in east Tennessee. Tell me, in addition to rain do that hundreds of years of folk music also talk about Mom, prison, pickup trucks and getting drunk?

Ummm... "The Mon" (meaning the king, the Norman invaders (yes, still)); I guess prison but usually gallows in old stuff; horses; and yes, getting drunk and the whole Mysteries of John Barleycorn and the Barleymow stuff...

[justapup (imported)]

I agree with this now being a year into being a eunuch. In furry you see it a lot. People with fursona's that are neutered or null and the amount of followers they gain off of the pretend mods they don't have is very interesting. Most of them are all fantasy seekers, some actual wannabes, but it's like why not take the next step and make it real so you can actually call yourself a eunuch or neutered person?

[Losethem (imported)]

I agree with this now being a year into being a eunuch. In furry you see it a lot. People with fursona's that are neutered or null and the amount of followers they gain off of the pretend mods they don't have is very interesting. Most of them are all fantasy seekers, some actual wannabes, but it's like why not take the next step and make it real so you can actually call yourself a eunuch or neutered person?

This is pretty much how I feel about it. Calling yourself a eunuch or nullo when you've not had the surgery is insulting to those of us who have had it. I know there are people out there doing that who are serious and will one day get it done, but until you've made that irreversible commitment to have the body parts in question removed, I feel you've not earned the right to call yourself that.