New here, planning stirring

[thegardener]

Hello everyone!

Stumbled upon this forum while researching ways to castrate myself and wishing to clear some things up on this forum Settled on stirring right now since I can't seem to find sources of pure alcohol in my area but I am still not quite sure about needle length, gauges, frequency, etc.

WIshing to hear some success stories of people around here

[WheelyFixed]

Welcome to the forum, glad you found us!

However there is one big question I should start off with, namely why do you want to do it yourself, as opposed to getting it done properly by a doctor?

While both injections and stirring have been done by many, they also have considerable medical risk, starting with infection, general trauma and so on, so we really try to discourage it. It also doesn't work that well as a castration method (though it can certainly make you sterile)

You don't say where you are posting from, and I know that some countries are not sympathetic to our desires, but in a lot of the world there is now a definite path to not only castration, but to the entire reassignment surgery (going by your profile, it sounds like that is what you'd really want to end up with eventuallly - tell me if I'm wrong)

The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) has released their "Standards Of Care, Version 8" which we usually refer to hear as the "SOCv8" - it's a free download at https://wpath.org/publications/soc8/ - I strongly advise downloading a copy and reading at least the Eunuch and Mental Health chapters, and probably most of the rest given your goals. Then do a search for Transgender centers in your area and reach out to them... It is a lengthy process and you have to convince a lot of doctors along the way that this is something you really really want, but it is straightforward and safe. In many places it will also be covered in large part and often totally by your health insurance.

If you live in a place that isn't supportive, there are also many options for 'medical tourism' to get surgery. This route is more expensive, but can be quicker and simpler.

You have an advantage in some ways, as the TG centers are far more used to dealing with patients wanting to do full binary transitions than those like me that want to stay in the 'mushy middle'

While I definitely do NOT encourage it, if you are really determined to follow the do it yourself path, we recently managed to import the message base from the previous version of the forums, which gives us over 25 years of people's experiences, including several threads about alcohol and calcium chloride injections, and likely stirring, which can give you an idea about what others have done, and found did or did not work....

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[thegardener]

Hello,

Thank you for the concern, but sadly I am precisely doing it myself and banking it on the doctors having no other choice but to remove it because I am from a part of the world where such a path is not possible at all. Yes, of course, eventually getting sexual reassignment surgery would've been a dream scenario for me but being a broke university student it'd probably take me YEARS, if not DECADES. There are no transgender centers in my country or any sort of official trans healthcare. I'd be more than satisfied to just stop T production once and for all in myself.

[WheelyFixed]

Yes, I can see how that might make things a lot tougher! If you are a university student, what are the chances of being able to study abroad in a more accessible country, or emigrating once you graduate? I'm just trying to think a bit outside the box to see if there is a way for you to get to a more workable place in fairly short time.

As a really radical approach I don't know if there is anyplace that you could potentially go to and try to do a claim for political asylum - but that might be very hard to arrange and would leave you in an awkward position if it didn't work since you'd have to come out as trans to claim that as a reason....

I did just do a very quick search on "stirring" and didn't find much unfortunately, and most seemed to be combining it with alcohol injections as well, Do you have any sort of black market for alcohol in your country? It doesn't necessarily have to be "pure" though that is the best... Generally unflavored Vodka, (the higher percentage alcohol the better) is considered possibly the choice most seem to have used, with "EverClear" being the brand most mentioned... The most important thing is not to inject anything that you couldn't drink safely! I'm still not recommending it, but if you have no other choice...

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[thegardener]

Id say my chances are low to medium. I'd prefer to deal with my body first. I do indeed wish to eventually emigrate, but I think that having some sort of financial ground, some savings is necessary one way or another. Being stuck in a foreign country with no papers and no money is probably hellish.

Yeah, I think I could get vodka just fine. Partially why I'm somewhat apprehensive towards injecting grey/black market alcohol is because I'm not really sure how to determine if what I'm buying is food grade, safe enough for consumption I guess? It's all marked and named differently. I'm still doing research but I'll probably settle for vodka, then.

[WheelyFixed]

I'd say a lot of the question on grey / black market alcohol is about the same as it would be for any other illicit substance - try to find a supplier that has a decent reputation... If it is possible, try to get something in a factory sealed bottle (alcohol often has 'tax stamps' across the lids as well, ideally those should be intact as well...)

It is probably also a situation where there isn't that much added profit in watering or diluting the stuff, and dealers have very little benefit in hurting or killing their customers....

"Taste testing" a bit before injecting it is also probably not a bad idea - and given that the injections only need a few mL a reasonably sized bottle would allow for lots of "testing...."

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[fhunter]

I'd say a lot of the question on grey / black market alcohol is about the same as it would be for any other illicit substance - try to find a supplier that has a decent reputation... If it is possible, try to get something in a factory sealed bottle (alcohol often has 'tax stamps' across the lids as well, ideally those should be intact as well...)

It is probably also a situation where there isn't that much added profit in watering or diluting the stuff, and dealers have very little benefit in hurting or killing their customers....

"Taste testing" a bit before injecting it is also probably not a bad idea - and given that the injections only need a few mL a reasonably sized bottle would allow for lots of "testing...."

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In Russia - main problem is that methyl alcohol on industrial scale is cheaper than ethyl one. Which occasionally leads to poisonings. Like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Irku ... _poisoning for example.

Also - it tastes more or less the same as ethyl alcohol.

[WheelyFixed]

Ouch! However I presume that Thegardener doesn't live in Russia, since legal vodka made with ethanol is available.... They don't say where they are from, but my first guess (and its only a guess) is one of the Arabic Middle Eastern countries given that AFAIK they are the only ones that seriously restrict alcohol (and are also not LGBTQ+ friendly...)

That is why I suggested trying to get something in a manufacturer sealed bottle... I'm far from an expert but the little I've heard about the black market was that this was possible...

Also while the taste is similar, the effects are not - if one only has a small amount then the effects should be no more than an alcoholic 'buzz' for a few hours at most.... If one has other effects then it should be regarded as a sign that it's bad stuff and shouldn't be used... (and might be a reason to cause unpleasant things to happen to the seller... (a good reason to prefer dealing w/ someone you can find later...) )

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