Hi everyone

[mat02]

Hey, I'm an 18 gay guy from Czech Republic. I've been considering castration for pretty long time now. I am pretty sure I'm not ready for anything permanent, but I would really like to try chemical castration first.
My goal is mainly to reduce my sex drive and stop my erections. I have tried chastity, but that only mostly made things worse. The problem is that I don't really know how to get the medication in Czech republic, so I'll be really grateful for any advice.
I have also considered many permanent ways of castration. The most appealing one that I could do myself are alcohol injections, but I'm really unsure about how safe (or unsafe) they are. Of course the goal later on would be to get the balls removed completely anyway. I would like to maybe preserve the scrotum, because I would like to consider vaginoplasty. Although to note, I don't consider myself transgender. I like to present male, I just really don't like my genitals.
Anyway, feel free to ask me anything, or chat with me. I like getting to know new people. Also, I'll be very grateful for any advice.

[T van Keel]

Hi,

welcome to the forum and thanks for your introduction. Sadly, I'm not familiar with the situation in the Czech Republik. I only heard of the possibility for sex affendes to get easily a chemical castration, but don't know if this is true.

I wouldn't adivse any self treatment like alcohol injections. In the best case, it doesn't work, in the worst case it can cause severe health issues. So, please don't do such things, even if it seems to be the only available option.

Did you already try to talk to your family doctor? This doctor should at least have an idea, if there are any possible treatments available. If this is not a success, do you have the possibility to travel to Germany or Austria? Maybe some gender specialists in these countries could help you. Just an idea.

Assuming you are a gay bottom, vaginoplasty might be a tempting goal, as it would provide the fitting counterpart to your partner. But be careful what you wish for. A vaginoplasty is no simple surgery and takes a lot of aftercare. There are even MtF transgender who opt for a zero depth version instead to avoid the way more complicated healig processs and aftercare.

Thus said, if your main goal is to get rid of your genitals, you should also put in consideration to become a nullo. You would also have no longer a penis and testicles, but healing would be much easier in comparison to a vaginoplasty and there wouldn't be the necessity for permanent care for the artificial vaginal canal. I therefore recommend that you at least seriously consider a nullification instead and have a look if that would meet your desires, too, but with way less risk for complications.

Another thing you should keep in mind is that—at least theoretically—hormone replacement therapy is recommended following castration. There are various approaches to this, ranging from testosterone to nothing at all, or even estrogen. However, you should be aware that this requires access to appropriate medical professionals who can regularly monitor your hormone levels.

TvK

[mat02]

Hi,

welcome to the forum and thanks for your introduction. Sadly, I'm not familiar with the situation in the Czech Republik. I only heard of the possibility for sex affendes to get easily a chemical castration, but don't know if this is true.

I wouldn't adivse any self treatment like alcohol injections. In the best case, it doesn't work, in the worst case it can cause severe health issues. So, please don't do such things, even if it seems to be the only available option.

Did you already try to talk to your family doctor? This doctor should at least have an idea, if there are any possible treatments available. If this is not a success, do you have the possibility to travel to Germany or Austria? Maybe some gender specialists in these countries could help you. Just an idea.

Assuming you are a gay bottom, vaginoplasty might be a tempting goal, as it would provide the fitting counterpart to your partner. But be careful what you wish for. A vaginoplasty is no simple surgery and takes a lot of aftercare. There are even MtF transgender who opt for a zero depth version instead to avoid the way more complicated healig processs and aftercare.

Thus said, if your main goal is to get rid of your genitals, you should also put in consideration to become a nullo. You would also have no longer a penis and testicles, but healing would be much easier in comparison to a vaginoplasty and there wouldn't be the necessity for permanent care for the artificial vaginal canal. I therefore recommend that you at least seriously consider a nullification instead and have a look if that would meet your desires, too, but with way less risk for complications.

Another thing you should keep in mind is that—at least theoretically—hormone replacement therapy is recommended following castration. There are various approaches to this, ranging from testosterone to nothing at all, or even estrogen. However, you should be aware that this requires access to appropriate medical professionals who can regularly monitor your hormone levels.

TvK

Yeah, I haven't really talked to a doctor yet. Mostly because I'm not sure they'd be able to help me. From what I found castration is only allowed for transgender people that prove that they are really willing to live as the other gender, which I'm not.

I understand the part about the hormones and I do plan on taking them. I thought about taking low doses of estrogen or something like that. I don't want to grow boobs, but I want something less aggressive than testosterone. I'm not really familiar with all the options though.

Also, I'm aware about the aftercare that vaginoplasty requires. It is also why that part is probably going to stay just a fantasy for me... It certainly sounds interesting though. (I kinda wish I was born a female and then could transition... That would be my ideal body...)

[T van Keel]

Then I would suggest to look for a doctor you trust and ask openly. Otherwise you will not know what kind of support is possible.

What you say sounds a bit like partial transition to female might fit for you. Nobody can force you to grow boobs if you don't want to. And if you hesitate because of the greater needs for aftercare, a zero depth vagina might be worth considering. Or would it be very important for you to have a fully functional vagina?

[mat02]

Then I would suggest to look for a doctor you trust and ask openly. Otherwise you will not know what kind of support is possible.

What you say sounds a bit like partial transition to female might fit for you. Nobody can force you to grow boobs if you don't want to. And if you hesitate because of the greater needs for aftercare, a zero depth vagina might be worth considering. Or would it be very important for you to have a fully functional vagina?

Well, I'd like to have some different feeling alternative to my asshole to be able to satisfy guys...

Also... I'll have to look for a doctor then... I have however looked into diy hrt and blockers as well, but I'm not sure which shops are reliable and also whether Czech customs wouldn't stop the package...

[T van Keel]

Well, I'd like to have some different feeling alternative to my asshole to be able to satisfy guys...

OK. I can't tell much about that if it would be worth the effort because I'm not gay and have no experience in this specific issue.

[mat02]

Well, I'd like to have some different feeling alternative to my asshole to be able to satisfy guys...

OK. I can't tell much about that if it would be worth the effort because I'm not gay and have no experience in this specific issue.

It's actually how I feel as well. Having a hole I don't have to prepare for every guy would be great.

[T van Keel]

It's actually how I feel as well. Having a hole I don't have to prepare for every guy would be great.

That's a thing I'll probably never understand about gay sex what is so nice about penetrating an opening which is not made for that. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to judge or hurt anybodys feelings. If men are happy with this practice, I don't mind at all. But I would never allow it to be penetrated that way.

[WheelyFixed]

Hey, I'm an 18 gay guy from Czech Republic. I've been considering castration for pretty long time now. I am pretty sure I'm not ready for anything permanent, but I would really like to try chemical castration first.
My goal is mainly to reduce my sex drive and stop my erections. I have tried chastity, but that only mostly made things worse. The problem is that I don't really know how to get the medication in Czech republic, so I'll be really grateful for any advice.
I have also considered many permanent ways of castration. The most appealing one that I could do myself are alcohol injections, but I'm really unsure about how safe (or unsafe) they are. Of course the goal later on would be to get the balls removed completely anyway. I would like to maybe preserve the scrotum, because I would like to consider vaginoplasty. Although to note, I don't consider myself transgender. I like to present male, I just really don't like my genitals.
Anyway, feel free to ask me anything, or chat with me. I like getting to know new people. Also, I'll be very grateful for any advice.

Welcome to the forum,and thanks for the nice intro post that tells us a lot about what you are hoping to achieve. I would have responded sooner but I had some other appointments that kept me busy most of the day...

I think you are VERY well advised to give chemical castration a try before doing anything irreversible. However I'd definitely say that you really should not be looking at do-it-yourself (DIY) options... They are risky at best, and not at all recommended. We keep the threads about them for historical reasons, and possibly as a resource for those living countries with no access to legitimate care.

I don't know much about what the situation is in Czechoslovakia, but doing some quick online research suggests that you may have some pretty good options for care through the legitimate medical system.... I can totally understand your not wanting to consider yourself to be transgender (I sort of feel the same way!) but pretty much any 'gender modification' procedures falls into that category whether we like it or not... It does make sense as our procedures are the same as for anyone doing an M-F transition, just simpler, so need the same surgeon training.... As such the standard reference for TG care is the WPATH 'Standards of Care, Version 8' - a free download at https://wpath.org/publications/soc8/ with translations to other languages (Including Czech) at https://wpath.org/publications/soc8/translation/ I HIGHLY recommend downloading and reading at least the Eunuch and Mental Health chapters, and ideally the entire thing... There are a bunch of steps you need to go through, and it is a big help if you know what sorts of things they will be looking for, and to be able to point to THEIR rules if they start trying to make you do things that aren't really needed...

If your regular doctor is generally "LGBTQ+ friendly" it isn't a bad idea to start by broaching the idea to him, as he should be able to make the right referrals to appropriate specialists if needed... You could also reach out to one of the local TG organizations or clinics and ask them to guide you in the next steps. I found a link to https://jsmetransparent.cz/about-us/ that looked like they could be helpful.

Keeping your options open for surgery is definitely a reasonable idea... I have heard of others that have chosen to do full-depth vaginoplasty while still presenting as male otherwise, but as T van Keel metioned, vaginoplasty is MAJOR surgery, with fairly lengthy recovery times, and a lot of ongoing maintenance needs. Nullo surgery is less bad for that, but still pretty major. A simple orchiectomy is fairly minor outpatient surgery with a fairly short recovery. An Orchie and Scrotectomy (what I did) doesn't take a lot longer for recovery, but does limit your options for vaginoplasty later...

For hormones, I can say that if you do low dose estrogen you will grow but how much is unpredictable - I got enough that I feel hesitant about being shirtless in public, but still fall in the 'normal male' range with even a T-shirt...

Feel free to ask any questions you have, we will do our best to answer...

WheelyFixed

[mat02]

It's actually how I feel as well. Having a hole I don't have to prepare for every guy would be great.

That's a thing I'll probably never understand about gay sex what is so nice about penetrating an opening which is not made for that. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to judge or hurt anybodys feelings. If men are happy with this practice, I don't mind at all. But I would never allow it to be penetrated that way.

All I can say to that is you never know until you try it... It feels great, your g spot is there, so if the other guy knows what he's doing, he can make you feel sooo great... I understand why someone people might find weird, but I think that's more of a mental barrier rather than that it would just not feel good. Also an anal orgasm is so much better than a normal one.

[mat02]

Hey, I'm an 18 gay guy from Czech Republic. I've been considering castration for pretty long time now. I am pretty sure I'm not ready for anything permanent, but I would really like to try chemical castration first.
My goal is mainly to reduce my sex drive and stop my erections. I have tried chastity, but that only mostly made things worse. The problem is that I don't really know how to get the medication in Czech republic, so I'll be really grateful for any advice.
I have also considered many permanent ways of castration. The most appealing one that I could do myself are alcohol injections, but I'm really unsure about how safe (or unsafe) they are. Of course the goal later on would be to get the balls removed completely anyway. I would like to maybe preserve the scrotum, because I would like to consider vaginoplasty. Although to note, I don't consider myself transgender. I like to present male, I just really don't like my genitals.
Anyway, feel free to ask me anything, or chat with me. I like getting to know new people. Also, I'll be very grateful for any advice.

Welcome to the forum,and thanks for the nice intro post that tells us a lot about what you are hoping to achieve. I would have responded sooner but I had some other appointments that kept me busy most of the day...

I think you are VERY well advised to give chemical castration a try before doing anything irreversible. However I'd definitely say that you really should not be looking at do-it-yourself (DIY) options... They are risky at best, and not at all recommended. We keep the threads about them for historical reasons, and possibly as a resource for those living countries with no access to legitimate care.

I don't know much about what the situation is in Czechoslovakia, but doing some quick online research suggests that you may have some pretty good options for care through the legitimate medical system.... I can totally understand your not wanting to consider yourself to be transgender (I sort of feel the same way!) but pretty much any 'gender modification' procedures falls into that category whether we like it or not... It does make sense as our procedures are the same as for anyone doing an M-F transition, just simpler, so need the same surgeon training.... As such the standard reference for TG care is the WPATH 'Standards of Care, Version 8' - a free download at https://wpath.org/publications/soc8/ with translations to other languages (Including Czech) at https://wpath.org/publications/soc8/translation/ I HIGHLY recommend downloading and reading at least the Eunuch and Mental Health chapters, and ideally the entire thing... There are a bunch of steps you need to go through, and it is a big help if you know what sorts of things they will be looking for, and to be able to point to THEIR rules if they start trying to make you do things that aren't really needed...

If your regular doctor is generally "LGBTQ+ friendly" it isn't a bad idea to start by broaching the idea to him, as he should be able to make the right referrals to appropriate specialists if needed... You could also reach out to one of the local TG organizations or clinics and ask them to guide you in the next steps. I found a link to https://jsmetransparent.cz/about-us/ that looked like they could be helpful.

Keeping your options open for surgery is definitely a reasonable idea... I have heard of others that have chosen to do full-depth vaginoplasty while still presenting as male otherwise, but as T van Keel metioned, vaginoplasty is MAJOR surgery, with fairly lengthy recovery times, and a lot of ongoing maintenance needs. Nullo surgery is less bad for that, but still pretty major. A simple orchiectomy is fairly minor outpatient surgery with a fairly short recovery. An Orchie and Scrotectomy (what I did) doesn't take a lot longer for recovery, but does limit your options for vaginoplasty later...

For hormones, I can say that if you do low dose estrogen you will grow but how much is unpredictable - I got enough that I feel hesitant about being shirtless in public, but still fall in the 'normal male' range with even a T-shirt...

Feel free to ask any questions you have, we will do our best to answer...

WheelyFixed

Hi, thanks so much for the comprehensive response. My hesitance to talk to a doctor probably boils down to me just being afraid, and also not a very communicative person. But as you said, it does seem like the best option and I will sooner or later look into it. (Probably later, because of my current personal reasons)

Also, the thing about hormones and estrogen giving me boobs, are there any other options you would recommend me to explore?

[mat02]

Also, in my last reply I forgot to mention that my concern with nullification also is that I would like to preserve as much of the sensitive tissue from my genitals as I can, and from my understanding, vaginoplasty is better for that.

[T van Keel]

Also, in my last reply I forgot to mention that my concern with nullification also is that I would like to preserve as much of the sensitive tissue from my genitals as I can, and from my understanding, vaginoplasty is better for that.

Reaching orgasm as a nullo is no problem. It is possible to preserve the nerves from the glans and place them under the skin to create a "fun zone". I decided against that, but I am nevertheless able to reach orgasm without any difficulties.

Regarding hormones: if you securely want to avoid growing boobs, I don't know any alternatives but to stay on the testosterone side. If there are any, I don't know them.

[T van Keel]

All I can say to that is you never know until you try it...

There are things I don't have to try out to know that I don't like them.

[WheelyFixed]

I was also extremely nervous about reaching out to a doctor, and it took a lot of encouragement from the folks on the old site at the time to get me to do it, so I can understand how you are worried about the idea - I've been there! All I can say is that once I actually got up the nerve to make the first call, I was very pleasantly surprised about how open and supportive everyone was. I have gotten absolutely NO grief from any medical people that have taken care of me either from the TG center or any of the other care I've gotten (and because of my injury, I get a LOT of care)

So I mostly say don't worry about it...

WheelyFixed

[T van Keel]

I just forgot to mention: If you ever want to try out what it feels like to be a nullo, you might try out tucking. It gives an surprisingly good impression of what it looks and feels like. And it is easy to do and is completely reversible.

[T van Keel]

I was also extremely nervous about reaching out to a doctor, and it took a lot of encouragement from the folks on the old site at the time to get me to do it, so I can understand how you are worried about the idea - I've been there! All I can say is that once I actually got up the nerve to make the first call, I was very pleasantly surprised about how open and supportive everyone was. I have gotten absolutely NO grief from any medical people that have taken care of me either from the TG center or any of the other care I've gotten (and because of my injury, I get a LOT of care)

So I mostly say don't worry about it...

WheelyFixed

Absolutely true. The first step needs a lot of courage, but then you mostly notice that people don't bite and try to help.

[mat02]

I just forgot to mention: If you ever want to try out what it feels like to be a nullo, you might try out tucking. It gives an surprisingly good impression of what it looks and feels like. And it is easy to do and is completely reversible.

Tucking for me is really difficult, since my member has 19cm (which I hate) and gets hard with the slightest touch... Even chastity is horrible for me.

[mat02]

Also, in my last reply I forgot to mention that my concern with nullification also is that I would like to preserve as much of the sensitive tissue from my genitals as I can, and from my understanding, vaginoplasty is better for that.

Reaching orgasm as a nullo is no problem. It is possible to preserve the nerves from the glans and place them under the skin to create a "fun zone". I decided against that, but I am nevertheless able to reach orgasm without any difficulties.

Regarding hormones: if you securely want to avoid growing boobs, I don't know any alternatives but to stay on the testosterone side. If there are any, I don't know them.

And how do you reach orgasm? If you don't mind me asking.How much harder do you think it is without the "fun spot"?

[T van Keel]

And how do you reach orgasm? If you don't mind me asking.How much harder do you think it is without the "fun spot"?

It's basically not too much different from the way you stimulate the penis. Certainly, you have to adopt it to some degree as there is nothing you can grab anymore. But it's still mechanical stimulation by hand (or something else). In my case, the urethra opening itself, the area around the urethra opening and also the bottom of the urethra towards the prostate is sensitive enough. It takes mostly more time, but it works very good.

This is my experience, there may be significant individual differences.

It's difficult to say how much harder it is without the fun spot. Normally the fun spot should make it easier, but it won't be the same as touching the penis as the nerves will probably be a little deeper below the skin. At first, I have had this fun spot, but I wasn't happy with that. In my case it only caused unpleasant feelings and didn't make sexual stimulation easier, so I decided to get it removed during a for other reasons necessary revision surgery. This is probably not typical, there are nullos who seem to be happy with their fun spot.

In general, the spot should make it easier and increase the sensitive area, but as you can see from my case, orgasm is also possible without that spot. But I can't tell how big the difference is as the fun spot never worked for me.

[T van Keel]

Tucking for me is really difficult, since my member has 19cm (which I hate) and gets hard with the slightest touch... Even chastity is horrible for me.

That's quite huge. Sorry to hear that. I don't have any good advice as I never had such problems. Just try it, maybe you find a way to fix it.

[WheelyFixed]

In response to your question about hormones, there are a few options but they can be a bit tricky and have their own downsides...

There is a class of drugs called "SERMs" or Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators, that supposedly do all the same sorts of bone health, mental health, and so on benefits that you get from estrogen, but that don't trigger the receptors in the breast tissue that grow They were developed for women with hormone responsive breast cancers as a way to replace their need for E without feeding the cancer... However they are expensive and supposedly come with a much higher risk of blood clots. (My TG doc wouldn't give them to me because my injury already makes me a higher clot risk, and she didn't want to add to it)

There was also a drug called Deca Durabolin, also sold as Nandrolone, that sounds from the descriptions I've read like it would be ideal for many of us as it supposedly triggers increased bone density and muscle mass the way T does, but without the masculinizing / libido increase effects. Supposedly it was frequently abused by body-builders and other athletes so got a lot of restrictions placed on it. I don't know about the rest of the world, but I know my doc says it is not available in the US from any of the formularies she is able to access. (I'd dearly love to be able to try it, as I definitely have muscle mass issues...)

WheelyFixed