my quest for answers on surgical castration

[sag111 (imported)]

As most of you know now i have been on chemical castration now for the past 18 monthes and by my next viset it will be two years.But i am not sure that i want this for the rest of my life.So i have decided that my next doctors viset it will be more interseting.I will ask him about surgery.Now i know this should be a very interesting conversation but i do enjoy a good conversation and hoping for some of my answers.

Now will i get the pesponce i want who knows but if i dont ask than i will never get those answers.Will i have to see the psychiatrist lets hope so for this is no problem for me and am looking forward to it.

So befor i see my doctor i would like some of your comments and experances that many of you have seen or been through .Now i am not afraid of failure or sucess and am going to go in with an open mind and when i am done i will know more than when i started.

[vesal_mas (imported)]

Good luck.

[sag111 (imported)]

Well i was looking for a little more in depth answers but i take what i can get

[Andrew (imported)]

So befor i see my doctor i would like some of your comments and experances that many of you have seen or been through .Now i am not afraid of failure or sucess and am going to go in with an open mind and when i am done i will know more than when i started.

The main thing to remember about surgical castration is that it cannot be undone. Even testosterone replacement therapy is not guaranteed to bring you back to you former level. But otherwise, the main advantage of surgical castration is not needing those injections which have a potential of liver damage. No more visits to the Doctor's office for those painfull injections.

I have certainly shared my experience on this message board. Anything in particular you would like me to elaborate on?

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[An Onymus (imported)]

sag, your physician may also point this out, but have you considered the possibility that the natural processes of aging, plus a year and a half of pharmaceutical testosterone reduction, might have reduced the testosterone producing capacity of your body, to the point where neither surgery nor drugs are necessary to get your desired condition? Also, understanding the nature of your behavioral urges, may help you to control them, regardless of hormone levels.

[sag111 (imported)]

Onymus i wish that things were shuting down but as i near the end of the month it is a time of depression and anxiety for me again.My wife can certanley see the diffrence in me at that time.Thank goodnes tomorrow i go in for my next shot and yes i can get by this way but it sure isent fun .Now if this is the way my life is to be than it is better than the way i was for i probley would have done it like Luvpain and heven knows i tried.

Now dont get excited i would not take this rout anymore since i have learned thair are much better ways.The archives have taught me that a doctor is the best way to go for this and Dr Kimmel isent that far away.

[TerryUK (imported)]

Onymus i wish that things were shuting down but as i near the end of the month it is a time of depression and anxiety for me again.My wife can certanley see the diffrence in me at that time.Thank goodnes tomorrow i go in for my next shot and yes i can get by this way but it sure isent fun .Now if this is the way my life is to be than it is better than the way i was for i probley would have done it like Luvpain and heven knows i tried.

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I also was on an anti-androgen for a year. The drug was Zoladex LA given as an injection once every twelve weeks.

I was actually prescribed the drug as part of my treatment, together with radiotherapy, for prostate cancer. Fortunately, the treatment did control the cancer and there was no medical reason to continue with the anti-androgen after the year was up.

Having been in effect like you a "chemical castrate" for over a year, I liked the way that I felt. I wanted to keep it that way. I talked this over with my wife. We agreed that I should seek an elective castration.

I wrote to the surgeon in advance of going to see him. I did not seek his advice. I simply told him that I wished to be castrated and that I would wish to discuss arrangements for surgery when we met. I should mention at this point that I had been seeing the surgeon regularly before this as he was monitoring my prostate cancer.

My wife came with me to see the surgeon and took part in the decision making. I think that this was important. Because I had written to the surgeon in advance and my wife was with me to confirm her agreement, there was no discussion. I was castrated in a private hospital in England on September 22. I did post a description of my surgery in the Archive and you were kind enough to congratulate me.

If you like the way you have been as a "chemical castrate", then I would say to you, "Go ahead and let the surgeon take his scapel to your scrotum and remove your balls."

I can say from my own experience that being a true eunuch, without balls, is great.

If you would like to know more, then email me on [email protected].

A very contented eunuch

Terry

[Mac (imported)]

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. I wrote to the surgeon in advance of going to see him. .... I simply told him that I wished to be castrated and that I would wish to discuss arrangements for surgery when we met. .... I should mention at this point that I had been seeing the surgeon regularly as he was monitoring my prostate cancer.

My wife came with me to see the surgeon and took part in the decision making. I think that this was important. Because I had written to the surgeon in advance and my wife was with me to confirm her agreement, there was no discussion.

A very contented eunuch - Terry

In the United States, your wife's written approval would probably be required. My wife had to sign a consent form when I had a vasectomy. However, I didn't have to sign anything when she had her hysterectomy.

[TerryUK (imported)]

In the United States, your wife's written approval would probably be required. My wife had to sign a consent form when I had a vasectomy. However, I didn't have to sign anything when she had her hysterectomy.

I accept that there is a difference between the legal requirements in England and the United States. Although my wife did not sign a document, she was present and gave her consent verbally. She was also present in the room in the hospital when I signed the consent form to surgery on the morning of my castration prior to going to the operating room.

Although as far as I was concerned, my castration was elective surgery, I had been under the professional care of the surgeon for my prostate cancer and castration is still a possible treatment for prostate cancer (though less common now than it used to be). Therefore, just as it can be argued that your wife's hysterectomy was performed for medical reasons and therefore did not need your consent, so it could be argued that my castration was performed for medical reasons and, therefore, did not need my wife's consent even though she did give it.

Under English law, a verbal consent is effective though written consent will often be sought as it is easier to prove that the consent had been given in any subsequent litigation if there is a written document as evidence of that consent.

And by the way, I am a barrister so I have some knowledge of English law though not of the law of the United States, though both have the same legal roots in English common law.

Terry

[sag111 (imported)]

Terry i rember your post and have thought of it often for i beleave it is best to be up front with your doctor . When i started depo provera i told him that this was what i needed and he agreed with me and have been on it for 18 monthes but i am not sure long term effects of this drug.This is why i am looking for answers to what i am doing and if i can saftly stay on this drug .

Thanks Terry

[sag111 (imported)]

Well this past week i had a chance to see my doctor and get some answers about surgery .He again surprised me when he told me that he to thought this would probley be best for me.My next step will be to see the urologest and see if he will be as helpfull as my doctor .now i know this is not a done deal but at least things are moving for me and my doctor is on my side.

[Christina (imported)]

Well done Sag.

It seems you have a few options open to you now. I'm glad you have a doctor willing to listen to you, it's a rare find these days. Keep us posted on you progress.

[Sac_mec (imported)]

Sag, One thought has occured to me which you might discuss with the Urologist. Before I mention it, please remember that in 99.97% of cases or more (!) a Urologist will have the thought processes and ideas on how to improve virility and overcome "problems". So to begin with you have to make sure that his/her mind is tuned into your needs and not his/her habitual programming. You are seeking surgery and not trying to avoid it at all costs, so make that very clear - your supporting notes should make them aware of your decision. Like you I have been a Chemical Eunuch a long time now and I would ask the Urologist, when the atmosphere is friendly, "Is it easier to cut my chords or is it more difficult?" It is a sensible question when you have been on medication for a while I think You want to seek re-assurance on this point.

(Maybe someone can answer that question here?). Quite possibly they might ask you to stop with medication for a short period before surgery, but this might just be a bit of folklore I picked up somewhere.

Maybe the procedure will be much simpler because there has been so much reduction in the size of those chords already? Good luck with your appointment, don't be rushed and I'm pleased to see you are approaching it with confidence. Take good care Sag

[jemagirl (imported)]

Sag,

I do hope you are able to get the surgery. You are a very intelligent and thoughtful person. As you have considered this option for some time I see no reason you should be denied the surgery.

My father was a Doctor and growing up with him I had the opportunity to meet a lot of medical people. I learned that some times for all the things Doctors know they forget we are people as well as patients. You have a good Doctor and I hope the Urologist is as wise. Your confidence in your self is one of the most perswasives arguments your Urologist will hear or see. I have no doubt that what ever happens he will be changed by the experience of meeting you, just as we all have been.

Be Well

Jema

PS: I just found out my browser has spell check. It didnt get every thing though. "perswasives"? Oh well

[surf_toad (imported)]

Good luck to you, old friend. i hope things come off without a hitch. i will be down soon to wish you well in person or at least try to.

[sag111 (imported)]

I got my appointment with the urologest today so i will take your sugestions with me thanks for all the good wishes and advice.I will know more after the 23 of April and will keep you informed i have to say i am surprised i got this far but as i say if you never ask you will never know the answer eather thankes again my friends.

[luvpain (imported)]

Sag,

It sounds like you have managed to find a bunch of understanding Doctors. I did inform my GP about being on Androcur and he did not support my dcission but at least did preform tests to make sure my liver was in OK condition and I was also able to get a Testosterone level test.

Now as for the shrink and urologist I had while in the hospital, neither of them wanted to listen to me and both created more problems by ignoring my concerns. I have since seen 1 other shrink and a counselor that I goto twice a week and so far I have been presistant with wanting it, and have also talked about my interests in body modifications. Nobody wants to listen and respect my wish.

I truely hope you experience is a lot better then mine.

[luvpain (imported)]

Yeah, I need to start looking around for another counselor and such. But again that is a pain in the ass to do at times.

[sag111 (imported)]

As i said i will keep you informed on my progress and i had my apt with the urologest today.Well it was a good talk and i didnt get a yes or no but i did feel that he would do it but he needs to talk to my doctor first and my doctor is all for my castration so thats good news to me.And we did discuss the diffrent ways of doing it and i told him witch one i wanted so i hope to know more next week but i feel i am making progress.I do want to thank all who have given me good advice it sure came in handy thanks.