Desperate to be a Eunuch

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Paolo wrote: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:14 pm Horrible.

Have you ever stopped to consider that the child in the dream was some "aspect" of yourself, destroyed by the negligence of others?

Paolo like you several very bright and caring folks have reached the same conclusion. My memories before the age of eight are pretty much locked away from me. I have a few memories which are not good and things I have been told often enough that they seem like memories now. Most of what I know about myself from those days has come out during dreaming. There was a time going to sleep was not a pleasant experience but the dreams do fill in some blanks.

I may never know what all has happened in my life but I have learned to enjoy life and the friends I have made. I look forward to each day and the surprises it may bring. I look forward to a good time and meeting you in August.
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I just remembered recently another motivating factor for my castration. To insure I was doing the right thing I began to think of all the reasons I should be castrated. One of the things I told myself was as I was aging I would attract less partners. As a sex addict this was scary for me to think I would want so many partners and not be able to attract any. It then became very important to reduce the desire for others. I was bothered by the sex addiction but maybe more bothered by the thought of not being able to feed the addiciton. Looking back if I was not castrated I now wonder to what lengths I would go to feed the addiction.

Not to regress in life but I must say feeding the addiciton may have been simpler than trying to have a relationship. Yes a relationship is more satisfying than a quicky but I have to wonder sometimes if I am too damaged for a relationship? I have major trust issues that interfere with my ability to see things as they are. When my trust issues are at their worst I find myself jeopardizing the relationship. I try to vilify my partner to create an excuse to end the relationship. I think at this stage in my healing it would not matter who my partner would be I would still have these issues.

Another block to happiness is my inability to combine love and sex. I can love my partner and I find him sexy but I am never able to have the physical intimacy I would like. We have some good times together but he would not be happy to know I run through my laundry list of insecurities and reasons to be rejected in my mind. He would not be happy to know the panic I feel when he begins to try and please me. I have this desire to get up and run away. He is very kind and gentle but that fear is always there. That fear has always been there with others who have tried.

I have come a long way but I still have a long way to go. I need to work on my sense of self. I need to develop some self confidence.
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I post sometimes to help myself, sometimes to help others but recently posting had taken a toll on me. I spent three days with my mind trapped in memories where I could not escape. They kept replaying through the day in my mind and at night my dreams were dreams of the past. The trigger to this was a couple of members stating rape is about sex and not power and control. I respect their opinions but in my thinking back to the days of rape I became trapped in that cycle of memories.

I post as a eunuch but most of my influences and outlooks are more based on being a victim/survivor. I had responded to another post where I began to second guess myself in the dark moods. I was always happy to achieve the status of eunuch. During those recent days I was wondering if I had not been so dissociated would I have felt depression. Was I so numb that I felt very little? Today I know that I was happy to become my true self. When my mind is not haunted I know this to be my truth. At the time of my castration I was plagued with the symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder and not depression due to castration.

At the risk of starting those dark days again and in my own thread I wanted to write about rape. My adult rape was at the hand of a man that I had been having sex with for a number of years. He certainly did not need to use fear and force to be satisfied. He called m
tugon (imported) wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:22 am e one night because he was depressed
and needed to talk to someone. I am the type of person who needs to be needed. It was about 1am but I had the next day off from work. Someone needs me so off I ran to his house. I walked inside his house and he was smiling. I said I thought you were depressed? He said he was happy that I was willing to come over. We sat on the couch and he bent over, I thought, to tie his shoes. When he sat back up he had a revolver in his hand and stuck it against my temple and told me to drop my pants and lie on the couch.

The fear was incredible. For the past few years he was becoming more physically and verbally aggressive but I was not expecting this to happen. He climbed on top of me and forced himself inside. I felt tearing and a burning sensation. The whole time that damn gun kept banging into the side of my head. At one point I thought what was he going to do with me afterwards. Then I began to fear if his hand contracts during orgasm would he pull the trigger. The next thing I knew is I was floating someplace warm and was not afraid. Until of course he spoke and brought me back to where I was and what had happened. It was then that I realized he had worn a condom because he asked if I wanted to keep it as a souvenir. I said no but it would have been nice to have his DNA. I began to gather up my clothes to leave and he suggested I get dressed first. Part of me wanted out as soon as possible and part of me knew I was bleeding and for some reason I did not want to get blood on my clothes. I was not thinking too clearly. As I was leaving he mockingly said "don't you want to stay and talk" and all I could say is "you just raped me" and he said "I thought faggots liked it rough".

He had spent years telling me if I ever told anyone about what he and I did he would kill me. It was that message repeated time and again that kept me from reporting the rape. He was also from one of those notorious families where you have problems with one you have problems with them all. It was not long before he called again and when I said no he began the threats to my mother's house, car and veiled threats to her. I was too ashamed to let her know what had happened and too afraid of him to call his bluff. By this time I thought it was easier to endure him then to risk any of his threats coming true. I understood the physical ramifications of what would be happening but it would be years before I realized the amount of emotional harm. I was trapped with no where to turn.

I spent 8 more years of my life under his control. I hated this man and had to please him. He was always physically abusive during sex. He would beat me in the side of my head and tell me I was not even a good cocksucker. He would make me beg for him. Always degrading and painful when I was with him. I would fantasize about shoving a knife up his rectum. I would entertain myself with thoughts of killing him while I was performing his orders. I even met separately wi
tugon (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:16 am th my two sisters to explain why I might have to kill him. I want
ed them to be able to explain to my mother why I had done it. I was so dissociated I was afraid of loosing myself. My sanity was hanging by a thread. I still look every day for his name in the Obituaries.

I have shared this part of my life before but felt the need to try and exorcise more of the feelings. I was surprised a post in a thread could bring me down so far and back to the ugliness of those days. I want to get beyond survivor mode and back to living. Maybe those three days will turn out to have been beneficial. Sorry for the redundancy of thoughts but I needed to get more of it out.
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Tugon, thanks for sharing. I'm probably too new here to have heard this story before. I couldn't comprehend the 2 posters who denied rape was about power and control. I had heard too many stories from rapists themselves who bragged about the power and control they had over their victims, male and female. Hopefully, this guy you knew will pay for what he did, whether its a long bout of rectal cancer or getting raped himself.

I'm glad you're back to living and have turned those memories to more constructive matters.
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Tugon, any little thing, from my experience, can bring back traumatic memories in full force. The important fact is that you are dealing with them directly in your postings. These horrible memories may never completly leave you but as time passes your skills at dealing with them will continue to develop. You will be able to enfold them into your overall personality and they will no longer control your feelings as they did. You are doing a remarkable job at not just surviving but at thriving and at rebuilding yourself as a better person. --FLO--
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Today my mother passed away. In some ways we were a lot alike. I spent a good deal of time with mom and helped her with things she was no longer able to do for herself. I visited her nightly and we lunched together on the weekends. We made many trips to Quebec City where we enjoyed good food and shopping.

The greatest thing she ever did for me was back in the early 60's. My father went to work one day and all of a sudden family from the hometown came to us and helped pack us up. My dear Catholic mother at a time when women of faith did not divorce rescued us from father. I was in the third grade at the time and did not fully understand what was going on but was relieved to be getting away.

We were at her bedside and I thanked her for being both mother and father. My siblings shared their thoughts and love. She went peacefully surrounded by family.
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I'm sorry to hear about the passing of your mom. Best wishes from Mr & Mrs T and fam...
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My sympathies go out to you and your family. I too lost my mother this year.
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tugon (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:33 am Today my mother passed away. In some ways we were a lot alike. I spent a good deal of time with mom and helped her with things she was no longer able to do for herself. I visited her nightly and we lunched together on the weekends. We made many trips to Quebec City where we enjoyed good food and shopping.

The greatest thing she ever did for me was back in the early 60's. My father went to work one day and all of a sudden family from the hometown came to us and helped pack us up. My dear Catholic mother at a time when women of faith did not divorce rescued us from father. I was in the third grade at the time and did not fully understand what was going on but was relieved to be getting away.

We were at her bedside and I thanked her for being both mother and father. My siblings shared their thoughts and love. She went peacefully surrounded by family.

Tugon

I'm so terribly sorry to hear about your mother's passing but I'm glad you and the family were at her bedside and got to say goodbye.

My mom is 93 and everyday when the phone rings I expect the caller to say, "your mother just passed away." I know almost every son and daughter throughout history has had to experience this tragic event but that doesn't make it any less traumatic or lessen the pain you must be feeling now and in the future.

Before talking to you in chat tonight, I never realized how much we had in common, both working as caregivers and other things.

There should be better words one could say at this time but I'm seem to be at a loss for them right now.

My prayers are with you and your family.
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Awww, tugon, I am also sorry to hear about your mom. I am glad you spent time with her more often then some, as I did because I also took care of my mom because she lived with my sister and so did I. I do miss her a lot. I think I also remember ya saying your mom's middle name was the same as mine. :) Well anyway, my condolences to you my friend. I miss you.

Big 🤗, Lilac
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Tomorrow I will be a ten year old eunuch. It was on 12/06/97 that I became my true self. Life is so much better not perfect of course but better than I could have imagined. Just opening the thread to post I was reminded of all the wonderful support from this wonderful community. Compared to ten years ago I am like the phoenix rising from the ashes. Yes Uncle Flo I am rebuilding myself and working to be a better person. I now have some good role models.

I will also be celebrating ten years of not being physically and sexually assaulted. Celebrating five years of no phone harrasment and creating a peaceful life for myself. Knowing that I have grown and learned to like myself. Now I know there was never any reason I deserved what was happening. I will be celebrating the end of negative thoughts and emotions which helped keep me trapped.

Now is my time to live. I have many choices ahead for my future. It is rather exciting and a little frightening. I am glad I have made many friends here who will share their knowledge and advice. Or be there to say tugon what the hell were you thinking.
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My 10 year old eunuchs guard the automatic weapons and plutonium that I keep in the basement. They have a bad habit of smoking weed and drinking wine, though...
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First I'm reading tugon's post on how he has grown, his ten year anniversary, freedom from some fears and so on. And I'm thinking "How wonderful, and good for him. He deserves happiness". :) Then I scoll down to Paolo's response with the 10-year old eunuchs guarding his weapons and I'm absolutely cracking up! :D Tugon, you are sweet and I wish you much happiness. Paolo, you continue to amaze me with your endless store of humor. Please be sure those 10-year old eunuchs keep a close eye on that plutonium, I'll sleep better. It's not only highly radioactive but also one of the most poisonous substances around. I always say you can trust eunuchs to guard these things. Really!

-Todd
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Glad you liked the joke.

Actually, that's one of the lines I use for the wiretappers.

I think it worked, because the funny noises on the phone have since vanished.

I think it might have been the dildo shopping story that pushed them over the edge.

Your avatar is in place, too.
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I had another visit with my doctor. Several visits ago I screwed up my courage to tell him I was a eunuch. During the visit before last he inadvertently triggered some of my issues. He was very insistent about some things I would do. He also mentioned that since I had signed a compliance contract he could dismiss me as a patient. Between feeling like I was losing control over what was being done to my body and the abandonment threat I became emotional. It was at this point that I felt he needed to be aware of my issues not just for our relationship but for my healthcare. This last visit I shared what I had experienced in life.

What was so surprising for me was the amount of shame I struggled with to relate my story. Was it male pride that made it tough for me to admit that I had been abused? Was it that I was having to admit it to a male? He thought I was going to cry and it was not tears I was experiencing. I felt short of breath and had to force the words out. I could have easily run from his office. He was so much more supportive than I thought he might be. He was very genuine in his concern.

I have shared my past here on the EA and with a few close friends. There are times I wished I had kept it private but I understand how helpful care and support has been. I think I worry that people such as my doctor might think of me only as a victim and not the strong survivor I have become. I would rather people know me for who I am today instead of what I had endured in the past. I am too strong for history to repeat itself.
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Tugon,

You've been through a hell of a lot in your life that many others wouldn't have been able to survive, let alone recover so well from and even thrive.

I relate to your wanting people to know you for who you are today and I think you're doing remarkably well at that.

My best to you,

Todd
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tugon (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:29 am I had another visit with my doctor. Several visits ago I screwed up my courage to tell him I was a eunuch. During the visit before last he inadvertently triggered some of my issues. He was very insistent about some things I would do. He also mentioned that since I had signed a compliance contract he could dismiss me as a patient. Between feeling like I was losing control over what was being done to my body and the abandonment threat I became emotional. It was at this point that I felt he needed to be aware of my issues not just for our relationship but for my healthcare. This last visit I shared what I had experienced in life.

What was so surprising for me was the amount of shame I struggled with to relate my story. Was it male pride that made it tough for me to admit that I had been abused? Was it that I was having to admit it to a male? He thought I was going to cry and it was not tears I was experiencing. I felt short of breath and had to force the words out. I could have easily run from his office. He was so much more supportive than I thought he might be. He was very genuine in his concern.

What is a Compliance Contract? Female MDs are out there and very good in my experience if that becomes an issue.

Good luck and hang in there!
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A Compliance Contract? Ive only heard of that in Pain Management to prevent diversion. I have never ever heard of a doctor using one for any other purpose, even SRS and TRT treatments. If a doctor is forcing me to do things im uncomfortable with i wouldn't tolerate it, I would be gone as soon as my fingers can dial up a new doctor. If one brought up such a contract to try to force me to accept tests or treatments I didn't feel in my best interest, I would have confirmation he doesnt respect me and my concerns with my health-care and also be gone. The only place i have seen a compliance contract is with pain management doctors who might want a random drug test to make sure your taking the drugs your being prescribed and not diverting them, no where in all the years of interacting with doctors and having over half a dozen of them in my family have i seen it or the threat of it used in any other case. The fact he showed support after you told him more of your history is good, but the fact you had to when it was really not much his biz concerns me.

I have history that none of my doctors have any business knowing about but my psychologist, and only because Im working though them with her. My urologist knows some basic info only because she is tasked with repairing the physical part of the past traumas.

A #1 rule i was taught in my entry level medical classes is that a patient should never be made to feel they are loosing control of their bodies and/or treatment, its a basic human dignity and must be respected. Of course, I know very few doctors tend to recall that lesson.. Or perhaps its unique to the school i was in, something's seem that way anyways.

Im sorry if it seems im overreacting but a doctor using such leverage for anything short of c2 drugs is unacceptable in my code of ethics I was taught.
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I am in full agreement with Don. I used to use compliance contracts ages ago with psychological patients. Aside from noted exceptions in Don's post, they have utterly NO legitimate use in the world of medicine, save for patients with behavioral issues (and working in consort with a therapist or psychologist). Any MD who would attempt to make imposition of such contracts needs to be reported to his state examiner's board for investigation as incompetent and disrespectful of patients. Period.

The very notion is infuriatingly insulting.
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thanks Kristoff.. Isnt medical ethics 101 still required? Seems to be forgoten nowdays..
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kristoff wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:14 pm I am in full agreement with Don. I used to use compliance contracts ages ago with psychological patients. Aside from noted exceptions in Don's post, they have utterly NO legitimate use in the world of medicine, save for patients with behavioral issues (and working in consort with a therapist or psychologist). Any MD who would attempt to make imposition of such contracts needs to be reported to his state examiner's board for investigation as incompetent and disrespectful of patients. Period.

The very notion is infuriatingly insulting.

So this is some kind of "contract" that says patient must __________ or the doctor will quit? Or? I still can't quite get my head around this concept.

I "think" I get the idea when you have opiates involved. ie you must not chew them up or mainline them to get high or we won't give you any more? Are we talking about that sort of thing?
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It was presented to me that if the doctor makes a recommendation or schedules a test and I do not comply he can dismiss me as a patient. I live in a small town where the hospital has purchased many of the local practices. The compliance contract was the idea of the evil healthcare empire where I was employed. Their practices frightened me while I was dependant on the paycheck from them. They are about the only game in town.
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These "compliance contracts" are a lot more common than they look. They are generally of the nature tugon describes, where if you do not follow recommendations/advice/treatment, you can be dismissed as a patient.

Dr. Crisler, one of the "anti-aging" TRT doctors, has such a provision in his general contract that all patients must sign to be treated by him. Basically if you do not follow advice/recommendations from him or his staff, or if you do not follow the treatment plan prescribed, he can dismiss you at anytime.

I generally view them as inappropriate. Even in the case of pain meds, I'd only consider it appropriate if the patient had actually been caught abusing them or diverting them. I don't find it appropriate to treat any average person being treated for pain as a potential criminal simply because of the medications involved. Only if the person has shown they cannot be trusted with the meds.

And even though TRT is not the issue here, the same goes for that in my view. I would only require a contract in the event a patient was caught misusing or diverting the T. Otherwise it is not acceptable to treat the person as a criminal.

All this aside, I would immediately dump any doctor who ever threatened to dismiss me as a patient for any reason. My relationship with a doctor would be forever soured through such a threat, and I don't see how any doctor can ever expect to maintain a positive relationship with a patient after a threat like that has been made.

I worked with a doctor who threatened to refuse me medically necessary treatment, and the moment he made that threat I instantly lost all respect for him. Not that I am saying he did not have the right to refuse treatment, but I am saying I would exercise my rights if a doctor wants to exercise his.

It would be easier to determine who is right and what should be done if more about the specific reasons surrounding the doctor's threat was known. Is it that he wants you to take T, and you refuse, and he considers that a violation? (I'm probably way off, but given the circumstances I believe it a good guess) But of course the specific reasons are private information if you wish them to remain that way.
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tugon (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:03 am It was presented to me that if the doctor makes a recommendation or schedules a test and I do not comply he can dismiss me as a patient. I live in a small town where the hospital has purchased many of the local practices. The compliance contract was the idea of the evil healthcare empire where I was employed. Their practices frightened me while I was dependant on the paycheck from them. They are about the only game in town.

Whew.... That is some insane weird sounding shit! Look I guess I understand doctors saying we need to do labs (like Liver Function) to keep giving up refills on statins. If your liver starts to head south taking more statins might kill you for example but this other stuff is really weird sounding.

The closest I came was having my GP say that I needed to talk to an "expert" and I just threw up my hands and said I was 100x more comfortable having her best guess treatment then the so called experts I had seen already. I hope what is going on with you does NOT move to where I live!
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The information about the compliance contract and the threat of it's implementation was a contributor to my elevated emotions at an office visit. I was looking for insight into the profound shame I experienced in telling my doctor of my past. I no longer feel he will hold that contract over my head but the shame still needs to be understood by me.
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