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mrt (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:21 am The Gel (Androgel) is working better than the patch. after my surgery with one testicle left I started to use the patch (5 mg) and it seemed to work for about 3 months.Then when my level was still around 135 mg my doctor called my insurance to approve the gel.

I am still on 5 mg and T has incresed to 196 mg.Still not enough but I feel better. I just have to take a nap every afternoon between 1-3 pm.. just get very sleepy much more so then before the surgery. The hot flashes are coming sometimes but not often. I think that my doctor will increase the gel next time I see him.

So the question now is: How many people over 40 have to take a afternoon nap to function? Where is A-1 when you need him? H. :)

Sorry for the flurry of answers. I think 5 gm is the lowest dose. I forgot to mention that weight is part of the equation. If you a tad heavy (like me) you probably need more. I'm fortunate to have a Doctor who actually reads the directions and measured me 2 weeks after every dose change. I can't tell you how much better life is.
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Day 5.

I no longer believe I am dealing with 100% placebo. There has been what I would now call a significant change in erectile function. Erections are more frequent, harder, last longer, and are beginning to become difficult to get rid of.

Libido is still pretty much absent, and as expected (since nothing happened before), there are no changes in energy or mood.

So far the patch has stayed on today and yesterday. A new way of taping it seems to be helping.

As far as levels are concerned, you hear so many different ranges there is no way to tell who is right. I've heard 240-900, 241-900, 240-1000, 296-1000, 300-1000, and now 700-1200. Kimmel told me I was probably 1200 before surgery, but other doctors have told me this would have been way high.
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Day 5. ..
plix (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:23 am . As far as levels are concerned, you hear so many different ranges there is no way to tell who is right. I've heard 240-900, 241-900, 240-1000, 296-1000, 300-1000, and now 700-1200. Kimmel told me I was probably 1200 before surgery, but other doctors have told me this would have been way high.
Folks,

This is a perfect example of why you should have your testosterone level checked by your doctor via blood testing. Have the blood drawn in the early morning. Then request a copy of the blood chemistry report if the doctor does not provide hard copy results.

Do this before cutting of your testicles and after...

Take care friends,
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Before so much environmental pollution was around, men's average testosterone measured 700-1200. I have been watching this and what they are doing is taking measurements of modern men's testosterone levels and then recalculating the "normal range". They are not taking into consideration that modern men's levels have been compromised.
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My testosterone levels shot up pretty high after I started using Androgel, from 70mg's after castration to over 1000mg's in three months. That was way to much for me so I cut back and started using "compounded testosterone" that I get from my apothecary/pharmacy. I have not been tested to see where I'm at, but now I get tired around 1pm and need a nap. It's wierd though, because it's as though I no sooner get to sleep that I start waking up. My naps are usually less then 30 minutes, which I'm fortunate enough to be able to take.

Here's another idea. If you don't want to use shots and if your skin is thick, why not ask about "pellet" form testosterone. You can have pellets inserted under your skin that last differing amounts of time. Ask your doctor and due your homework concerning this form of testosterone. Hash
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Those pellets sound cool but I'm not sure they have been approved by the FDA yet, even though the actual ingredient they contain is certainly approved, the way the FDA is, is even a brand name has to be approved. Like if someone wants to import HGH from over seas and HGH is FDA approved but if it's not one of the approved "brand names" of HGH then the customs will confiscate it and send you a later saying its not FDA approved.
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Wait, here's some talk about testosterone pellets (http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-hea ... 42176.html). One guy says they have in fact been FDA approved.
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Yes, pellet form testosterone is FDA approved. Dr. Lichten gives this info:

As a physician, I can insert the 75 mg FDA approved pellets and the 200 mg fused pellets PREVIOUSLY only available in Europe!

The Organon fused pellet has been in production since 1958. With more than 50 million pellets used, this product had provided the best method for slow-release, steady hormonal replacement. The 200mg pellets we used are physiologically similar to these commercially produced European pellets.

The pellet is loaded in the pellet inserter and placed into the buttock once every 2-5 months. The pellets slowly release the hormone, usually preventing a 'crash' in hormones until the end of treatment. Most insurance companies, including Blue Cross, reimburse the placement of pellets. The pellets may or may not be reimbursable by individual policies. Medicare does not cover pellets.

IF YOUR PHYSICIAN WANTS TO INSERT PELLETS, HE MUST COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING:

STEP 1:

1. You must be a licensed Medical Doctor [M.D.] or D.O. [Doctor of Osteopathy] in the United States.

2. You must be free of any criminal convictions and be in good standing with your state medical board.

3. You must have a valid D.E.A. license, state medical license, and state dispensing license.

4. You must have malpractice insurance.

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1. Make copies of 1,2,3, and 4 listed above.

2. Return the forms to U.S. Doctor Resources, L.L.C. and we will forward the information to the FDA approved pellet making pharmaceutical company.

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1. Dr. Lichten's GENDER-SPECIFIC MEDICINE CD lecture series for $29.99 plus $5 handling fee.

2. The material will explain some of the potential applications for Estrogen and Testosterone Pellets, the suggested laboratory testing, the dosage of pellets and the suggested technique for pellet insertion.

Our goal is to allow you the physician the opportunity to learn about new and old treatments that might offer a better medical treatment for your patient, and when possible, to assist in reducing the high cost of prescription medication in the United States.

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It sounds like a limited pilot/test program by the FDA not like a full approval. --FLO--
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Hash, I just don't understand why it would go to over 1000 mg in your case and I am still around 200 mg.I am folowing the instruction.Which part of body did you put the gel on? H. 🔨

Some people absorb it better then others. Also body weight plays a role in how much you need to get to high high a range. That said Its (I think) very unusual that your so low! What is your dose? Are you heavy set? Do you have steel plated skin???

So you use the Packets or the androgel pump?

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Day 7.

Erections continue to be constant. But there is no sexual sensation in them, mostly just pressure, and at times they can even be quite painful.

I had only my free T tested prior to castration, so unfortunately I'll never be able to compare total pre and post. My total after surgery tested at 37 ng/dl, and my free prior was 3.75 on a scale of 1.25-5.00. The high half of normal. I don't know whether this is how it works or not, but I'd guess my total T was probably in the upper half of normal as well, which would not be surprising for someone my age.

I will see if I can get a total test on my next doctor visit.
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Huevon,

I'm not sure why my testosterone shot up the way it did, except that I suspect my doctor got so worried about it being so low that she instructed me to use a larger dose than normal. I was using two packs of Androgel, totaling 10mg's per day, so that's the answer. Even still, the high testosterone did not cause me to become utlra sexual. I still believe that my overuse of "Tribulus Terrestris" pre-castration messed up things inside of me. I used "Tribulus" because my single testicle was not functioning or producing enough testosterone. Tribulus forces your testicles to produce more testosterone and it really does work, but I didn't "cycle" the Tribulus, in fact I abused it and I believe/know that because I abused it, something is not right with the way my sexual system operates. If you use some drug or herbal medication like Tribulus to force your testicles to produce more testosterone than normal, after a while, it will shut down your sexual system. Anyways, I'm going back to get some tests because of a constant low level pain in my side. I had a CAT Scan last year and they said there is nothing wrong, but I don't believe it. Anyway, take care & God bless. Hash
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Huevon,

Just remember, Tribulus will not work on eunuchs. Once your testicles are removed you must use testosterone supplements. Since I'm castrated, I don't use it because it will not work. But if you've still got at least one testicle, and want more testosterone, give it a try, it will work, though I'm not sure if making tea with it will work. I got mine from Vitamin World pre-castration. I actually stopped using it because it worked to well on me, and I abused it, didn't cycle it and messed up my sexual system. Check out this site: http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/pro-h ... ffects.htm
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There's been a change of plans.

I know, no surprise. :)

Basically, in between my last post and this one, the T really started to work, and I became extremely uncomfortable with the effects. I did not realize how happy I was as a eunuch until I experienced those effects. They felt wrong and I wanted them gone asap. Unfortunately they still linger, but I know I am back on track to where I was until just recently.

I won't look my age for a long time, and I have the risk of severe health problems, but those are prices I am willing to pay for the comfort of eunuchdom.

And of course I could always change my mind yet again and go back on it. If so, I will have a doctor who understands and is willing to help. But for now, I was wrong about wanting to go back on T and I learned a valuable lesson.

Let's see how long until I yet again swing in another direction :)
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plix (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:05 pm the T really started to work, and I became extremely uncomfortable with the effects. I did not realize how happy I was as a eunuch until I experienced those effects. They felt wrong and I wanted them gone asap.

Plix,

That's why I was unwilling to try injectable T: in the case of a bad reaction, I'd want it gone ASAP.

Could you enlighten us? What exactly are you referring to when you say "those effects"? (Venturing a guess, I'd say your libido has returned. T gave me appetites which were horrendous.) Send a PM instead if you don't want to blab about "those effects" here.

Terri

P.S.: In a documentary about sex changes, an FtM talked about the mental effects of T: "It made me interested in sex....all KINDS of sex."
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I don't mind blabbing ;)

Yes, it was primarily a return of the libido, along with erectile function and ejaculatory function.

I was beginning to feel a compulsion from the libido again, and I didn't like it.

I also was dealing with a constant erection, one that was present for the majority of the day. I felt no pleasure in it, only pressure and pain. That may have changed with more time, but the idea of it active all the time didn't thrill me regardless.

Also, I was surprised to discover ejaculatory function to suddenly return in full force. I didn't really like the liquidy mess it greeted me with.

The majority of men enjoy libido and erections, so one might ask why I am not able to at least tolerate it?
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Yes, I can understand every ounce of your hurt and feeling. I love being a Eunuch myself even though it's only a chemical Eunuch right now. But hard on's are painful, I agree entirely.
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plix (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:05 pm There's been a change of plans.

I know, no surprise. :)

Basically, in between my last post and this one, the T really started to work, and I became extremely uncomfortable with the effects. I did not realize how happy I was as a eunuch until I experienced those effects. They felt wrong and I wanted them gone asap. Unfortunately they still linger, but I know I am back on track to where I was until just recently.

I won't look my age for a long time, and I have the risk of severe health problems, but those are prices I am willing to pay for the comfort of eunuchdom.

And of course I could always change my mind yet again and go back on it. If so, I will have a doctor who understands and is willing to help. But for now, I was wrong about wanting to go back on T and I learned a valuable lesson.

Let's see how long until I yet again swing in another direction :)

Dear Plix:

I don't know if this helps or not but when I started on HRT I felt weird. Alien. Not myself. But in a very short time I felt the "new" me was normal and ok. There were some nice improvments in my life. My almost constant anxiety attacks were gone. My mental focus was clear. My energy was strong again and I was able to get up and do things. To finish things. Plus I got a "normal" sex drive. The sexual urges etc were there again and for me this was good for my relationship and life in general. I know how odd this must feel but please give it a chance. Life IS good on this side of the fence.

Best Regards!
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Plix.

It is very interesting to see how different people react to the same thing. I am not sure how old you are and what other medications you take but

thanks to this forum we can be made aware of this.

Keep working on it and hopefully you'll find a solution.Too bad we cannot exchange some of the side effects. H. 🙄

I find this thread very enlightening and mostly because it evidences our varied responses to the same phenomenon - erections, orgasms, ejaculations and cum. For me it's just part of being male, and I've usually sought all of these. Even more than most men, I celebrate the latter and can't get enough of it.

I was initially quite shaken when a urologist suggested I consider castration. He explained that that the testicular pain I often felt would only grow worse with age. He could do nothing except treat the symptoms. I was 24 y.o. at the time. However, he also explained that my virility could be maintained - with external testosterone. It was basically on this promise that I grew used to the idea and eventually approached the solution positively. I knew there was a limited window for procreation and used it. My reproductive organs were used for their function and then severed. I've had no regrets since. I understand I'm in a minority on this board.
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JeffEunuch (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:30 pm I understand I'm in a minority on this board.
Just curious why you say that you are in a minority on this board? I am not aware of what the majority has as a profile....

Just curious.

(P.S., edited this morning to correct a grammatical error.)
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JeffEunuch (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:30 pm I find this thread very enlightening and mostly because it evidences our varied responses to the same phenomenon - erections, orgasms, ejaculations and cum. For me it's just part of being male, and I've usually sought all of these. Even more than most men, I celebrate the latter and can't get enough of it.

I was initially quite shaken when a urologist suggested I consider castration. He explained that that the testicular pain I often felt would only grow worse with age. He could do nothing except treat the symptoms. I was 24 y.o. at the time. However, he also explained that my virility could be maintained - with external testosterone. It was basically on this promise that I grew used to the idea and eventually approached the solution positively. I knew there was a limited window for procreation and used it. My reproductive organs were used for their function and then severed. I've had no regrets since. I understand I'm in a minority on this board.

Hey your not alone! I'm here in a similiar way. I'm going into this a bit backward. My testes are fried from a virus. *We think. I had to go on HRT when my Doctor diagnosed this. Thank God btw. I was close to being pumped full of Mental Health meds. Now, I've got a pair that are shrinking down to nothing and aching almost all the time. I wanted to talk to some guys who have had "it" (Removals/castration/implants) done to see if there are other side effects. BTW so far everyone seems to think its quick, relativly painless and life afterwards with HRT is good. Jeff - did you opt for "replacements?" And if so could you talk about that?
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plix (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:05 pm There's been a change of plans.

I know, no surprise. :)

Basically, in between my last post and this one, the T really started to work, and I became extremely uncomfortable with the effects. I did not realize how happy I was as a eunuch until I experienced those effects. They felt wrong and I wanted them gone asap. Unfortunately they still linger, but I know I am back on track to where I was until just recently.

I won't look my age for a long time, and I have the risk of , but those are prices I am willing to pay for the comfort of eunuchdom.

And of course I could always change my mind yet again and
severe health problems
plix (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:05 pm go back on it. If so, I will have a doctor who understands and is willing to help. But for now, I was wrong about wanting to go back on T and I learned a valuable lesson.

Let's see how long until I yet again swing in another direction :)

Plix, there are definitely no "severe health problems" associated with castration. There are some associated with HRT, though..

Basically, the main issue with castration is psychological. If you can handle it (and it seems it's not an issue for you), then frankly, I can not see any reason doing HRT. The simple fact is that, as a eunuch, it only tends to get better with time, as your body adjusts to the new hormonal milieu.

Throughout history, eunuchs were known for their longevity and good health. Some of the eunuch generals and officials were fully capable of delivering their duties at very old ages; and the theoretical risk of osteoporosis does not appear to have been mentioned in historical sources, apparently, it was insignificant.

Although only a case report, a "modern" and a particularly stunning example is that of Junius Wilson, an African American castrated at the age of 28 on grounds of rape, and still reported living in 1994 (and physically active) at the age of 96 (considering that the average life expectancy for black males is significantly lower in the U.S.):

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A962958260
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