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[Curious241 (imported)]

Hello, I'm Suzanne and like in England. I hope you don't mind me joining your message board, as I'm only here out of curiosity and probably won't post much. I saw the person on This Morning talking about voluntary castration and he mentioned this message board so I couldn't help having a read. I don't want you to think I came on here to preach or tell people what to think, as it's nothing to do with me, but I'm a curious person who likes to find out about things.

I have to admit I'm ignorant and haven't read the whole board.

Maybe it's my own problem and you might mind me asking and it's not my intention to offend anybody, but people seem to have various reasons for undertaking castration. I can understand why somebody might want to undertake this procedure but the message board seems so varied, as it goes from people who genuinely have their own reasons because they feel they should be that way, to those who have cancer, but what I have a problem (and it's my problem, so not saying others should have one) are those people are on here because they like perverted fantasises of being castrated (maybe perverted is the wrong word, but can't think of another). Would somebody who has fantasies of being castrated, in the way of just the act and not actually living castrated, fall onto the dark side and be more suited to some sex web site with other similar things? I'm far from a prude and everybody has a sex life with things they prefer and if somebody prefers sex being castrated then it's a genuine thing, but in my mind I can't connect fantasises of the actual act of being castrated with genuine medical, physical or physiological discussions so it turns the problems people might genuinely have into looking like something else.

Just that when I saw the man talking on This Morning, he seemed to dislike his oncoming masculinity and said he now sees sex as more of a loving thing than how he did before he had high testosterone levels, so I don't understand how people like that could have much in common with somebody who just wants to come online to talk about fantasises of being mutilated for sexual pleasure, but not really want the procedure, just the thought of the actual act of castration to get off or want to talk about it. Another thing is, there was a man on here who says he just wants to be castrated to gain weight because he wants to be so fat that he has to be an adult baby and not even wipe his backside. Why would anybody with genuine reasons for castration want people like that on the message board, as somebody like me who looks for the first time out of curiosity might think you're all like that and the whole reason for the site is just for things like that. Then again, maybe it's nothing to do with me and I shouldn't poke my nose in.

[Curious241 (imported)]

Another thing, I was wondering if they might repeat the channel 4 documentary on a digital channel some time such as E4 or more4? Just that with This Morning, they usually talk about it on the day it's going to be shown if it's on ITV but with other channels they talk about it after.

[strassenbahn (imported)]

Curious,

First, as an active member (but not administrator) let me say I welcome your interest and your posting.

If you continue to read the various postings you will see that the Eunuch Archive has all sorts of members who are attracted to the concept of castration (voluntary in the board postings, not always so in the fantasy story boards) for a whole variety of different reasons. I for example have fantasies of being a woman (see my avatar), but realize that real castration isn't right for me and that I should stay in the world of fantasy in this regard. Others have actually gone through with it, again for a whole variety of reasons that I won't summarize because the best source of information is their postings on the board.

My main point is that even though the members of the EA are so varied -- straight, gay, actual eunuchs, fantasy-only-guys, men who want to be free of overpowering sex drives and fetishists (my case) etc., etc., our interest in castration makes this a suprisngly close family, with strong expressions of mutual support for posters who might appreciate receiving such. If nothing else given the interest TheFraj's dignified appearance on TV appears to have inspired in you, why don't you hang around a while and get to know all of us varied folks. You may also want to check out the story board. Some of these stories are pretty violent, but it's just fantasy, and will tell you more about this subject. I don't plan on being castrated myself because I don't think doing it in the world of reality (as opposed to fantasy) is "right" for me (though it certainly is for others) but I certainly welcome TheFraj's appearance as helping make clear to a wider public that elective castration is appropriate for some people and that they shouldn't have to cross the Atlantic to do it.

Everyone is free to post here as often as they wish, and I would welcome any response of yours to this message of mine.

Regards, Strassenbahn (German for "tram" (US English: "streetcar" or "trolley"; I'm not German, but I love trams and spent many happy years in Germany, where some tram systems still exist.)

[Paolo]

C241,

The best advice I can give you is to read all the replies and feedback to any particular thread that you look into.

Yes, this is a very diverse group.

One man's perversion is another pleasure, to paraphrase the old saying about trash vs. treasure.

If you look around for a while, you'll soon see that there is MORE to the issue of eunuchism than any ONE reason you can come up with.

You mention a couple of posters at EA here, such as TheFraj's reasons which are blessedly becoming rapidly high profile, and then Obese_Sissy_Boy's reasons which some posters may find strange. But to each our own! This is a prime contrast to the interest in the subject that each of us has. Still others were of the cancer case, while others are indeed of the sexual fantasy case. Still others seek satisfaction of their partner through their own castration, while others seek a reduction of testosterone or a reduction in pain for various medical reasons.

Welcome to the boards, and I hope that your stay here is educational. You DO present valid questions, and I hope you stay around long enough to find the answers.

Thoughts, anyone else?

[tjstill (imported)]

I am sure you will get many excellent replies to your question from the regular posters. No one can act as a spokesman to represent all the views of all who comes here, as you point out they are a very ecclectic mix. Your question did make me evaluate my reasons for visiting and why I thought others came here. I welcome the diversity of people and opinions, I can think of no other board were you will meet such a broad spectrum of people, truly I cannot. The only common denominator is some interest in some aspect of castration and Eunuchism. If you read the post though that is not the only topic discussed here. Religion, poletics, sport, the enviroment, media, just about anything. People are initialy brought here as you were wanting to understand a little more about castration and Eunuchism, they discover a group of very interesting people and they want to know more about their particular `castration perspective`. There is plenty here if you want to indulge in your own fantasy or real world castration discussion. But there is a fantastic selection of all type of people, the most amazing thing for me is how it has remained so friendly and open for so long. Excellent moderators and management I guess. How many forums do you get were the moderators post asking for peoples true opinions and saying they wont edit anything from the thread. Most sites would implode in flames within minutes. I hope you find answers to your questions about castration here whatever those questions are but I also hope you read the boards, get to know some of the people and answer the second part of your question for yourself. Welcome aboard.

[tjstill (imported)]

When I started typing no one had replied !!!! Now you know why i have not finished a story yet Sorry if my reply looks a bit out of position!!

[confuzed (imported)]

I also would like to say hello.

I have a very high sex drive (or I did have) which was ruling me life, and I found myself getting relief up to 6 times a day, and have been doing so since I was 18. I am now 33 now, and as you can imagine this has got really boring for me.

I am now taking medication for this and am having some very good results. The medication takes me down to near castration level, without been castrated, and almost eliminates my libido. But I can still have sex with my fiancée, if I want to.

If, once I have come off the medication, my sex drive returns, I MAY consider castration as a last resort

So you see, not all of us have fantasy's about castration, and frankly, I feel sick at the thought of getting my ball chopped off.

Even though people have fantasies about castration, most will never go through with it, because it's a fantasy and nothing else. I have a fantasy about winning the lottery, but I probably never will.

Also, just to mention the man that wants to be fat, if you read the post all the way though, you will read that, most people tell him that it's the wrong thing to do, and try to talk him out of it. It's the same with people who want to be castrated, because of a fantasy, people tell them the risks involved and the result of castration, like depression and stuff like that.

So what I'm trying to say is that, you should read more of the posts, all the way through and you will find that people get castrated for genuine reasons too.

[DeaconBlues (imported)]

Hello "Curious241" and a sincere THANKYOU for your interest and this opportunity to offer MY own opinions on the subject of elective castration.

Your reasoning and questions are not at all offensive to me, while you might disagree with my point of view on the subject, I would not say that you are wrong in any of your thinking so far. But may I offer my reasons for my own desire for elective castration?

Years ago, I was a typical sort of sex obsessed man. I enjoyed sexual relations whenever and with whoever I could. I suppose I was not really evil or genuinely sex obsessed, but I WASTED staggering ammounts of money, time and effort in the pursuit of sex. One or two disasterous failures, being "stood up" a few times, caused me to actually think about all the waste caused by my sex drive. So I thought about what life would be without this "monkey on my back."

Luckily for me at the time, I was living in El Paso, Texas, on the U.S./Mexico border. I often went to the Mexican city of Juarez to fill perscriptions (at great savings) for relatives and friends and I knew I could get depo provera there (in men, it causes a chemical castration effect). At that time I did not even know about the Eunich Archive, I only knew that depo provera was sometimes given to sex offenders as a condition of probation, to reduce their sex drive.

Also, I remember something I saw on television, a program on violent criminal rapist/murderers. One of the men, a man condemned to death, gave an interview, told about what he had done. He had raped and murdered several women. After he was convicted and sent to prison, AFTER the crimes, he finally got the proper health care that he needed. The prison doctors found that he had seriously elevated testosterone levels, and persuaded him to take a monthly shot of depo provera. His personality changed tremendously, and he was much happier on the depo provera. His death sentence was still to be carried out, even though he was now quite a different person. He said something that really struck me, that "there would be three more people alive today and I would not be on death row if I had gotten that little shot before I started doing this."

I have never been a really violent man, and I really doubt I could rape anyone, but still, I had some sexual behaviours that I am really ashamed of. So I decided to give the depo provera a try. The difference was amazing, and I loved it. Not only did my sex drive disappear, but along with it the nearly continuous rage and hate that I felt. Things that drove me insane with hatred and rage, like loud stereos, no longer bothered me. There were "side effects" that to me were insignificant, I noticed a slight lessening of my strength and endurance, but really, it was a SMALL price to pay for the tremendous benefit of not being angry at the world all the time.

I will concede that castration might not be at all right for everyone, but there are some very real benefits, and for me I am sure it is right. Unfortunately there are also some very negative stereotypes about eunichs in our society.

Sincerely Curious241, thankyou for at least being "curious" and willing to hear my point of view, even if you never agree with me, I appreciate that you at least care enough to learn about the subject.

[truly committed (imported)]

You can see the documentary on 4 on demand, free to download for people in uk/ireland off the net..

Im in the uk, and im here cause of that documentary-so feel free to message me anytime

kinda intrested about this whole thing aswell-i defo would not consider myself a normal male ...

*i kind of want to be an angel.*

[mrt (imported)]

Hello, I'm Suzanne and like in England. I hope you don't mind me joining your message board, as I'm only here out of curiosity and probably won't post much. I saw the person on This Morning talking about voluntary castration and he mentioned this message board so I couldn't help having a read. I don't want you to think I came on here to preach or tell people what to think, as it's nothing to do with me, but I'm a curious person who likes to find out about things.

I have to admit I'm ignorant and haven't read the whole board.

Maybe it's my own problem and you might mind me asking and it's not my intention to offend anybody, but people seem to have various reasons for undertaking castration. I can understand why somebody might want to undertake this procedure but the message board seems so varied, as it goes from people who genuinely have their own reasons because they feel they should be that way, to those who have cancer, but what I have a problem (and it's my problem, so not saying others should have one) are those people are on here because they like perverted fantasises of being castrated (maybe perverted is the wrong word, but can't think of another). Would somebody who has fantasies of being castrated, in the way of just the act and not actually living castrated, fall onto the dark side and be more suited to some sex web site with other similar things? I'm far from a prude and everybody has a sex life with things they prefer and if somebody prefers sex being castrated then it's a genuine thing, but in my mind I can't connect fantasises of the actual act of being castrated with genuine medical, physical or physiological discussions so it turns the problems people might genuinely have into looking like something else.

Just that when I saw the man talking on This Morning, he seemed to dislike his oncoming masculinity and said he now sees sex as more of a loving thing than how he did before he had high testosterone levels, so I don't understand how people like that could have much in common with somebody who just wants to come online to talk about fantasises of being mutilated for sexual pleasure, but not really want the procedure, just the thought of the actual act of castration to get off or want to talk about it. Another thing is, there was a man on here who says he just wants to be castrated to gain weight because he wants to be so fat that he has to be an adult baby and not even wipe his backside. Why would anybody with genuine reasons for castration want people like that on the message board, as somebody like me who looks for the first time out of curiosity might think you're all like that and the whole reason for the site is just for things like that. Then again, maybe it's nothing to do with me and I shouldn't poke my nose in.

The end of one extreme is the Fetish angle that has some people turned on by this. I can't admit to understanding this other then my own two cents that some people are very embaressed by their sexual drive, needs etc. I had a female friend who was into "bondage" and she wanted to know if I would be interested in doing that with her. The deal (maybe in this case?) was she wanted to do sexual stuff but she wanted it to be done "to her" not be her doing it. I think a strict upbringing maybe was her issue. So take that even further and you might see a group wishing to do away with sex? But then we are talking about just one group. On the other end are the men told they have cancer who were dragged kicking and screaming to surgery who are wondering what now? I ID a bit more with them as I don't have any desire or need to be "sexless." In fact due to disease I was pretty much that way with low to no testosterone from barely functional testicles. My goal has been to reverse that and its worked! HRT has helped me a lot but I've still got chronic pains from my testes and they are barely there (Shrunken) so after talking to my MD I'm considering surgery to replace them with cosmetics. I want to

continue to use hormones for the rest of my life (knock on wood) and want to look more "male." At least in the visual department. And there you have three different types of folks on this archive looking for answers and wondering what the future will be like minus two bits of humanity. There are dozens (or more) of others. Folks who undergo Orchiectomy to save money as they transition from male to female hormone wise are a fairly good sized group. And while my first take on this was "Huh?" I've learned they are good people (in general) and some of the problems they have with hormones mimic the issues I've had. BTW It seems odd to many of us that there is not as huge a fuss made over women who are ovary-less but thats a different topic.

[Old Greebo (imported)]

How do I download?

Sorry, I'm not exactly one of yer teenage geeks.

What's a 'torrent'? Or a 'MP4'? I just want to have Windows Media Player play the thing back to me!

[Paolo]

Old Greebo,

MP4 is yet another package name for the movie inside, like MPG or AVI. Windows Media player probably wont' play it, but VLC Media Player and Quicktime will/should. Unfortunately, if you are outside the UK/Ireland, you can't watch it online.

We're working on getting a way to get it split up and posted to Usenet, but so far, no luck.

Of course, if you don't know how to use Usenet groups, that's another long lecture.

[devi (imported)]

As for myself, I just can't get into the fantasy stories on this board. But once in a while I'll look at one here and there that amuses me, half way read it and think to myself "ah, whatever". My great thrill and great claim to fame for being on this web site is that I'm supposed to be a male but however on a Sunday morning I might just pop up into some strange church (where I would be condemned if they knew what I was doing) dressed as the perfect uprighteos church lady in my Sunday best and sing along with the congregation in my perfect ladylike voice --(and I can sing as high as a cat's meow or the Bollyworld singers do). At church they never know that I'm a nominal male (small hands and feet, youngish cheerful face, soft skin) and who knows I could just pop up into your church over where you are singing along with the rest of the congregation. P.S. --I have never taken female hormones (estrogen), but conversely I was once administered male steroids for a few weeks in order to cure a case of tendonitis to my wrist.

[Curious241 (imported)]

Thanks for the interesting replies. It has helped me to understand.

I don't have time to write much now as late. I only have dial up internet so can't watch the documentary online as would take ages to load.

I don't think more people make a fuss about males having their testicles removed than women having their ovaries removed. Lots of women who have their ovaries removed take hormones. Maybe referring to oneself as a Eunuch is more a personal choice as to how a person sees themselves? But then what do I know.

I didn't know if the person who's very fat was just on a wind up, as he says he's on disability from being fat and wants to be even fatter so he can't wipe his back side. To me that's going over the edge and I see people didn't encourage him, if he's a real person.

I don't know why you might think not having testosterone might make males into better people though, as some women can be right bitches and some men can be really nice and calm. I think it all depends on the individual. I just think people are all individuals and you get good and bad points in all sexes, but then I suppose testosterone has a lot to answer for with some men being sexual predators and that.

As UK doctors not performing the operation, I wouldn't know why, but maybe not enough is understood about it. I know that people can have a sex change for free on the NHS as it's a recognised condition, but the patient needs to undergo a long time of psychiatric help to determine if it's what they need and need to be referred by a psychiatrist. Somebody mentioned it's a cheaper way for somebody to help than taking hormones, but if they can get them for free here, then I doubt they would need that option.

[Curious241 (imported)]

How did you find out you have three x chromosomes Dev? Does it mean you're genetically female? I forget, as I haven't studied biology for a long time.

[Paolo]

How did you find out you have three x chromosomes Dev? Does it mean you're genetically female? I forget, as I haven't studied biology for a long time.

They can take some blood, analyze it, and get one of these pictures from it:

http://library.thinkquest.org/C0123260/ ... osomes.gif

[Curious241 (imported)]

Oh, it's interesting how that happens isn't it, how some people can be genetically once sex but physically another. But then again, we are all formed from the same blue print, as when a baby is formed the same parts turn into one thing, or another, it's why men have nipples. I only found out the other day the G spot, whatever or wherever that is, is what turns into the prostate gland in a male.

[Curious241 (imported)]

Sorry about my typos lol

Meant to type One sex, instead of once sex.

[sapient (imported)]

Also there seems to be a lot of modern myth-making to the point of DNA making "perfect copies" and certain genes "determining" such and such things about us. I think a lot of people don't realize how complex a process human development is. The mental image I think is involved here is that the cell is like an automated, precision building factory that turns out exact replicas of a template.

Well, cells aren't like that. And human development is a story about mixing things up and making do with the result.

Oh, by and large we are quite alike both on a general level and a biological level. But the end result says nothing about the utter chaos that produces that result. There's a whole lot of things going on all the time that shouldn't. Cells splitting turning into tumors that need to be stopped by the immune defence.

Our brains are built by first stocking up on as many neurons that can possibly be fit into the physical space of our skulls, and then killing of all of those that are "duds", that have no constructive use. The rest develop more dendrites so the mass stays the same.

But it's all a big game of chance. Variation is the theme, and it's being played over and over. There's not "the majority" and "those who are different". It's only "those who are different enough to be noticed and those who are different but manage to hide it". Any kind of socialy established norm is arbitrary. Nature don't run on blue prints. It just does things because physical laws and chance dictated it. And if we try to understand things as "order and deviations from that order" we are only fooling ourselves.

But if we tried to apply "variation" as a standard to human behaviour, instead of "ought", I think there would be a lot less grief. At least I hope.

[truly committed (imported)]

there is a myth that men are pigs and women are saints...there are women sex offenders out there aswell....

Men and women are no better than eachother...

just thought id say..

[Hairless (imported)]

Hello, I'm Suzanne and like in England. I hope you don't mind me joining your message board, as I'm only here out of curiosity and probably won't post much. I saw the person on This Morning talking about voluntary castration and he mentioned this message board so I couldn't help having a read. I don't want you to think I came on here to preach or tell people what to think, as it's nothing to do with me, but I'm a curious person who likes to find out about things.

I have to admit I'm ignorant and haven't read the whole board.

Maybe it's my own problem and you might mind me asking and it's not my intention to offend anybody, but people seem to have various reasons for undertaking castration. I can understand why somebody might want to undertake this procedure but the message board seems so varied, as it goes from people who genuinely have their own reasons because they feel they should be that way, to those who have cancer, but what I have a problem (and it's my problem, so not saying others should have one) are those people are on here because they like perverted fantasises of being castrated (maybe perverted is the wrong word, but can't think of another). Would somebody who has fantasies of being castrated, in the way of just the act and not actually living castrated, fall onto the dark side and be more suited to some sex web site with other similar things? I'm far from a prude and everybody has a sex life with things they prefer and if somebody prefers sex being castrated then it's a genuine thing, but in my mind I can't connect fantasises of the actual act of being castrated with genuine medical, physical or physiological discussions so it turns the problems people might genuinely have into looking like something else.

Just that when I saw the man talking on This Morning, he seemed to dislike his oncoming masculinity and said he now sees sex as more of a loving thing than how he did before he had high testosterone levels, so I don't understand how people like that could have much in common with somebody who just wants to come online to talk about fantasises of being mutilated for sexual pleasure, but not really want the procedure, just the thought of the actual act of castration to get off or want to talk about it. Another thing is, there was a man on here who says he just wants to be castrated to gain weight because he wants to be so fat that he has to be an adult baby and not even wipe his backside. Why would anybody with genuine reasons for castration want people like that on the message board, as somebody like me who looks for the first time out of curiosity might think you're all like that and the whole reason for the site is just for things like that. Then again, maybe it's nothing to do with me and I shouldn't poke my nose in.

You sound just like my wife, except she has never read any of the posts here, but she thinks we're all crazy. I had my reasons for castration too. They were the same as some, different than most. I live in America and I was fortunate enough to be sent a copy of the BBC Documentry by one of your countrymen. By seeing Roger, you saw one of the best people in the documentry. He is a very courageous young man. I thought the documentry touched too much on as you say, "the dark side" and not enough on the more valid reasons for castration. Maybe in so doing, they showed how desperate guys can become to finding relief from there problems. It's pretty sad that Roger had to leave his own country and travel 3000 miles to get help. We thought our medical system was bad. It's difficult to get a doctor to do the procedure here, but not impossible. The problem most guys have, I think, is that, the doctors that are willing to do the surgery, are few and far between. When you do find one that is willing the costs are usually rather high, especially for the good ones. The ones that actually care want you to see at least one therapist. Mine require three. Some of that is out of concern for the patient, but also because the doctor doesn't want to get sued. My total cost was around $8,000. Many guys are driven to the dark side because they can't afford anything else, so they take that chance or try to do it themselves. DIY is not usually good. Many have died trying or left themselves mamed. I just hope the documentry brings favorable light to the subject, so people can get the help they need without being made out to be a kook. Thanks for your interest, it was a good thread starter.

[Bagoas (imported)]

I'm glad to see, Curious, that you approach the issue of castration desire in a basically non-judgemental way. That is the key to understanding a group as heterogeneous as the membership of the Eunuch Archive.

I became obsessed with castration fantasies at age 15 when I discovered that I am homosexual. At that time and in that mileu, it was analogous to discovering that one is a werewolf. I regarded myself as a monster of perversity and wanted to eradicate my "abnormal" sex urge.

I never did anything about it, but continued to concoct tales of castration for my own entertainment until I discovered the Eunuch Archive and realized that there are many others who entertain and enjoy similar fantasies. I began to write and "publish" my stories in the Archive, and have contributed 86 at last count. This has given satisfaction to me and enjoyment to others.

[Paolo]

I never did anything about it, but continued to concoct tales of castration for my own entertainment until I discovered the Eunuch Archive and realized that there are many others who entertain and enjoy similar fantasies. I began to write and "publish" my stories in the Archive, and have contributed 86 at last count. This has given satisfaction to me and enjoyment to others.

I might add that an overwhelming majority of members here have said the same thing. "I was so relieved to find this place; it meant I wasn't the only one thinking like this!" I know I sure said that.

Personally, I think that's what keeps us going as we do. Other times, I think that's ALL that keeps ME going.

And I have to agree, I can't think of anyone better to the "face man" of the Archive than our very own Roger! How can anyone be put off by a face like that?

[Curious241 (imported)]

I don't see why there's anything wrong with a doctor needing psychiatric reports before they carry out the surgery, as if it isn't done because of a physical disease, then there are psychological reasons with irreversible consequences, especially if they haven't had children. I don't think a doctor would give a woman a hysterectomy without psychiatric reports if she physically didn't need it, if a doctor would do it at all. I think it's quite common for lots of people to get confused about their sexuality, so a doctor needs to be sure a person is sure, as opposed to confused.

I do sometimes joke to my friends that my cat is much nicer since he has been castrated and more men should get castrated.

If I was a man I don't think I would like a pair of balls flapping around, although you are lucky with your penis that you can use the toilet standing up.

I can't really bring myself to read fantasy stories of the actual act of castration, as to me, it brings the subject down and I don't want to get into that. As far as I'm concerned, what people do in their bedroom is private, although some people need aids to help with their fantasies. From what people have said on here, the reasons seem quite genuine that they would want to live that way, but it's quite common for people to have various fantasies and to me that turns into porn or S and M instead of a serious discussion.

[Curious241 (imported)]

Yes I did think the The Fraj who I saw on This Morning seemed a nice person, although I thought it was a shame he thought being a man with testicles had to be a certain way and he might have made a nice father one day, as how can future generations learn and have various role models to tell them that men can be all types of people? Although I don't want to judge and if what he has done has made him happy then each to their own.