Has anyone used Evanesce, "The non-prescription, Herbal-Estrogen capsule"?

[happousai (imported)]

I came across a website called "The Phoenix Project" ( http://www.abmall.com/tss/tss.html ) which sells Evanesce, "The non-prescription, Herbal-Estrogen capsule". This post (http://www.abmall.com/tss/wwwboard/messages/3558.html) on their message board suggests that you can take Evanesce to decrease your testosterone production without causing your body to become feminized (e.g. breast development, etc.).

Can anyone give me more information about this product? It's really caught my interest. I think that my testosterone levels are too high: I have to deal with unwanted erections (quite a few times, I have had to discretely "readjust" myself in public so that people wouldn't see the bulge in my pants) as well as unsatisfied sexual desires (and I end up looking at porn, when I should really be doing productive work with my time).

So I wonder if I can use this product to fix my testosterone levels without any side effects.

It doesn't seem to be too expensive, either: A bottle of 90 capsules (the recommended dosage is 1-6 capsules per day, and for the effect I'm looking for it's probably on the lower end of that) is just $15. No prescription required, discrete shipping packaging.

[Keith (imported)]

After reading you post, I'm going to try it. I ordered Evanesce yesterday. Dianna was responsive to my email about what I need to do to reduce or eliminate my sex drive.

Her reply:

Your best option would likely be to use Evanesce at a high dosage for a week or so, or until you detect the desired drop in sex drive. Then reduce the daily amount of Evanesce to 1-2 daily. This amount should hold down your sex drive, without bringing feminization. If you do see feminization anyway, further reduce the daily amount to one every other day, for example.

We are also looking into another herbal option for people who, like you, only want a reduction of testosterone, not feminization. But it will be several weeks minimum before that product would be available.

I also asked:

If I take Evanesce to the point that I start "growing" breasts, would reduce dosage cause them to disappear? (I kinda always wanted a pair of my own.)

Reducing dosage may or may not make them go away...

Stopping will make them atrophy; the more they grow, the less possibility they will completely disappear. And any increase in the diameter of the areola is permanent.

I'm excited about this stuff, and can't wait until I can hug and kiss my wife with compassion and my passion. Passion seams to turn her off and makes me frustrated. Oh, to be free. To make love to her (when only she wants too) for her pleasure, and not mine.

PS. I read that my genitals would more then likely shrink with a lake of testosterone. I'm small now and looking forward to that also. Anyway, I asked my wife "you say that my small size doesn't matter, after shrinking form using this stuff, would it size still matter?" her reply with slightly raised eye brow "how much smaller?"

[SplitDick (imported)]

From what I've read, Evanesce should provide some good effect. I have not taken it, but I have taken conjugated estrogens.

My one warning is that taking estrogen will not reduce your testosterone. You'll have both active in your system. What you really need to do is to take an LHRH-analog like Lupron Depot if you want to reduce testosterone.

Taking estrogen, or Evanesce, will likely just cause feminization (it did for me) but your sex drive will still be active. Since I didn't want feminization, I stopped taking them. As in the response you received, my pointy breasts have remained and the most noticable effect is that the areolas are a LOT larger.

So be warned. Estrogen is not a solution for hetero men fighting overactive libidos.

[Steve (imported)]

Hi Happousai, Keith and Split Dick,

I have been on Evansce for about two weeks now. I went on it to reduce my testosterone level. It is hard to measure testosterone level but I shaved my arm and I am noticing that hair is more slowly growing. I get my "stuff" from the Phoenix Project for $15 per bottle. I am taking the maximum dose of 6 or so per day. It is best to start with the maximum and then cut back as you wish. So I ordered another two bottles of Evansce. It takes them about one week for delivery. I have noticed no adverse side effects at all.

On the other side, in two weeks I have noticed the following in my 62 yr old body:

A lot calmer feeling. I look at women comparing my body with theirs.....I always lose!!

My skin is softer

It feels like I have an extra layer of abdominal fat

the abdominal fat is lower than my previous pot.

My butt has a nice rounded shape

My thighs are big

My breasts increased a very small amount. I am an A cup but I don't need a bra. A lot of my boobs were there before.

I'm on beta blockers which make "IT" limp. So I cannot give you an accurate report.

The Evansce specifically reduces your testosterone level.

So come on down and join me. There is a message board with many questions answered. I am on it under Steve, Steph, or Stephanie depending on how I feel that day. Enjoy!

[SplitDick (imported)]

It is definitely interesting to have your body transform. I experienced all the same "symptoms" as you've listed when I was on estrogen. Very quickly you begin to feel soft, your butt fills out, etc.

Problem is, I just want to control my libido -- not feminize. But I definitely see the attraction for those seeking feminization -- these things do work.

[Steve (imported)]

Hey Split Dick,

Only you and I know what is under my clothes. Oh my wife too and maybe a few others. But the changes so far are not at all obvious. I should be able to cut back my dosage and regulate the effects. Then again, being 62 my body will not have the same results as if I was in my 20's or 30's

[Andrew (imported)]

So I wonder if I can use this product to fix my testosterone levels without any side effects.

If it does change your testosterone levels (and that's a BIG "if"), there may well be changes. We briefly talked about this in the Wednesday scheduled chat. Here is the URL to a great page on the effects of castration that is must reading for all who are contemplating this procedure, be it by surgery, drugs, or herbs

http://www.geocities.com/sherrylanina/C ... fects.html

Tell Sherry I sent you.

[andyuk (imported)]

Hi All,

I hate to put a downer on Evanesce, unless it has changed since I tried it..

I used it for about 6 months and found very little if no changes at all !

I then ordered some premarin from the Net, I only tried a 3 month supply, but started noticing changes within 2 weeks !

My recommendation is to use a prescription method, its cheaper and gives better results..

for just a testosterone blocker, use Androcur or depo-provera.

Regards

Andy

[Steve (imported)]

Hi Andy,

It has been three weeks now for me and I have graduated from A cup breasts to B cup breasts. There have been no adverse side effects which often come with chemical castration. I take 6 Evansce and 3 Feminol each day. So it works fine for me.

Now my hypothesis; the reason the herbs work for me is that I am 62 and my testosterone level was probably low to start. If I was 20 years younger, then my testosterone level would be much higher. I am looking for a home testosterone level checker. Does such a thing exist?

There might be advantages to being "older".

[Andrew (imported)]

I then ordered some premarin from the Net, I only tried a 3 month supply, but started noticing changes within 2 weeks !

My recommendation is to use a prescription method, its cheaper and gives better results..

Regards

Andy

For those who might want or need the information, just what is Premarin, and where did you order it?

[madscientist (imported)]

I agree with you completely regarding Depo-Provera. It is a great non-feminizing libido suppressor.

[andyuk (imported)]

For those who might want or need the information, just what is Premarin, and where did you order it?

Premarin is a powerful female hormone used for HRT manufactured from PREgnant MAres uRINe, it is a prescription drug, but can be purchased online from many online pharmacies e.g. healthlpuspharmcy.com

These companies can sell you premarin legally by sourcing the product outside the destination country, thus making it an import, this is legal in many countries.

There are many resources on the net about feminisation, type premarin into altavista or finger.com !



Regards

andyuk

[SplitDick (imported)]

Yummm, pills made from pregnant mare urine.

By the way, for those of you concerned about animal rights: Apparently the drug company produces Premarin by making mares constantly pregnant with no rest in between. This is very hard on the mares, and goes to show the wierd things humans do to animals.

I only mention this because a friend of mine cares about these things and she asked me to boycott Premarin. I personally eat meat and wear leather, and have used Premarin (which does work well). But I wanted to make sure people were informed.

[sandy- (imported)]

AndyUk wote:

>> "

These companies can sell you premarin legally by sourcing the product outside the destination country, thus making it an import, this is legal in many countries.

"

Andy,

Could you elaborate on this? My understanding is that, at least for the U.S., Customs views any entry from overseas in terms of U.S. laws. It thus makes no difference whether Premarin is available over-the-counter in the country of oriign; U.S. Customs will stop it on entry as a precription drug being shipped to someone who may or may not have a precription.

The irony, of course, is that dangerously addictive drugs are available on the street corner.

Not to sound flippant about oversexed hetero males, but we M2F's are willing to try to help alleviate the problem!

All you straight guys: keep that in mind....

Sandy-

[Peter (imported)]

This what u meant sandy??

:p

(picture me in all those stages after reading your post)

Peter

[sandy- (imported)]

Peter--

The most ingenious post I have ever seen!

I think you must know...your way around!

Sandy-

[healingarts (imported)]

I came across a website called "The Phoenix Project" ( http://www.abmall.com/tss/tss.html ) which sells Evanesce, "The non-prescription, Herbal-Estrogen capsule". This post (http://www.abmall.com/tss/wwwboard/messages/3558.html) on their message board suggests that you can take Evanesce to decrease your testosterone production without causing your body to become feminized (e.g. breast development, etc.).

Can anyone give me more information about this product? It's really caught my interest. I think that my testosterone levels are too high: I have to deal with unwanted erections (quite a few times, I have had to discretely "readjust" myself in public so that people wouldn't see the bulge in my pants) as well as unsatisfied sexual desires (and I end up looking at porn, when I should really be doing productive work with my time).

So I wonder if I can use this product to fix my testosterone levels without any side effects.

It doesn't seem to be too expensive, either: A bottle of 90 capsules (the recommended dosage is 1-6 capsules per day, and for the effect I'm looking for it's probably on the lower end of that) is just $15. No prescription required, discrete shipping packaging.

I'm a big fan of the BRAVA system. It's considerably more expensive, but it's actually had clinical trial done, and you can acheive truly natural, larger breasts. (They're also firmer, and higher!)

Check out their website. I have to say that herbs are real drugs, even if we don't think of them that way. No one really knows all of the effects of taking high doses of herbal supplements. Also - I checked out some of the options on WebMD, and the doc's there say that breast augmentation surgery and the BRAVA system are the only ways to get larger breasts.

I've been using it for a few weeks, and am loving it already. Best of Luck!

[SteveA (imported)]

:luv2lurk: Hi I have been on 6-Evanesce, 6-Feminol, 2 pregenolone, and 1 Evening Primrose Oil for two years and three months. i can give u all a fairly good report:

Physical---My penis has shrunk from about 4 1/2 inches soft to mostly 2 1/2 inches soft. Penis is never hard any more. Balls are about half as big as start. Breasts have grown and are about size B cup(little more than a hand full each), skin is much softer now and I have a lot of subcutaneous fat, body hair is a lot softer now. Butt is more rounded than before. I am 64 and I have been told that there would be more subtile body changes. for example, I have not grown much in the hips, except "love handles" lol. But since last November I have been on Weight Watchers lost 30 lbs so far But my body still is soft. Oh , one more thing, for me my nipples still look like a man.

Physiological---I can no longer get an erection. It does get about as hard as a hot dog, kinda rubbery. i can still masturbate, but I only do it about once a month. I use a vibrator and still get some fluid. But the penis stays soft.

Psychological---I have no desire to have sex. I sleep every night with my wife but am not even tempted to give it a try. :-\

What else?---I started weighing about 225 lbs and I think that the higher body mass u have, the more you should take. when I am off of the herbs for a vacation, the morning erections return So the herbs are just holding off the testosterone.

Recommendations---I like the effects of the Evanesce etc. The feminization of my body is not so much that you would know it with my clothes on. But it is fun playing with my breasts and soft butt. But, I am getting tired of taking all those pills each day. (15 per day) I really know that being a eunuch is right for me. So I look forward to having my balls castrated ASAP. I do recommend that u give the herbs about at least 6 mo. trial.