Introduction II

[Darmandm (imported)]

Personally, I think the recidivist sex offender should be given the choice; life in prison without the possibility of parole or surgical castration.

I concur. I think that strikes a nice balance between fairness and due punishment. An interesting choice for the offender: freedom without testicles or close confinement with them.

[datyiasp (imported)]

I agree with M'lina and Darmandm.

Thank you.

[Messalina (imported)]

I concur. I think that strikes a nice balance between fairness and due punishment. An interesting choice for the offender: freedom without testicles or close confinement with them.

Hello Darmandm,

How are you? Thank you, for the support. You've an "interesting" perspective."F

reedom without testicles or close confinement with them

", I hadn't though of it that way It's always good to have another perspective on things. I strive as best I can to be fair whilst, advocating for justice.

Warm regards,

Messalina

[Messalina (imported)]

I agree with M'lina and Darmandm.

Thank you.

Hello there,

I appreciate your support as well. It's very difficult to change public policy. The moment policymakers hear the words castration or orchiectomy, they tend to (figuratively, at least) cross their legs and close their ears. So, we advocates for change need all the help, we can find.

Warm regards,

Messalina

[datyiasp (imported)]

I am assuming we are speaking of egregious, capital sexual re-offenders here. Once the precedent has been set, time and again a small, rabidly vocal minority is continously wearying themselves trying to increase the scope to include more and more offenses into the law. Anti-abortionists and anti-marijuana advocates are a couple examples.

Some countries put out eyes, cut off hands and other outrageous atrocities in the name of justice. Including clitorectomies and other genital mutilation on women. Barbaric is the main adjective I hear those who decry such activities use.

How many proponents of castrating male sexual offender recidivists favor genital mutilation for female sexual re-offenders also in such a law?

I thought so.......

Most definitely a double standard here, wouldn't you say?

Thank you.

[mrt (imported)]

One correction. The correct analogy would be removing a female sex offenders ovaries (vrs a males Testicles)

There is a double standard for female sex offenders and before anyone says there is no such thing I KNOW there is so save your breath.

How many of these school teachers banging 13 year old "boyfriends" do we need to see on the news before someone understands that this is criminal regardless of what gender the person is who is doing it?

[calmeilles (imported)]

It's a cultural bias:

13 year old boy banging the school assistant = lucky bastard.

13 year old girl being banged by school master = abused victim.

23 year old woman never had sex = Moral and pure.

23 year old man never had sex = God! Is he a repressed faggot?

It seems absurd written out in black and white: but to a greater or lesser degree such biases pervade society.

[Kangan (imported)]

Castration of a sex offender is still punishment despite the "voluntary" aspect. When I was arrested and charged with a non-violent statutory sex offense back in the mid-1970's, I immediately wanted to be castrated as punishment for my crime, and also as a way to get my raging hormones under control. If judicial castration had been offered, regardless of any possible mitigation of sentence, I would have agree to it without reservation. You see, I was so shocked at finding out that I was a "pervert" that I was desperate to do anything to undo what I had done. Before that, I'd never even gotten a traffic ticket!

With castration unavailable to me, I arranged for an immediate vasectomy as a substitute operation. Later on, I found out about animal castration techniques and tried banding without much sucess. Then some 30-years later, I found the EA and now I have managed a DIY bloodless castration using a homemade device. I still want my dead testicles surgically removed as "closure," and also to give myself, and anyone who needs to know, physical proof of my condition.

Currently, the category of "sex offender" covers a wide spectrum of behavior, from exhibitionism to violent rape. Not everyone in this range of offenders would be a good candidate for castration.

Females can also be sex offenders. In my case, I introduced my wife to the teenage boy that I was "molesting" and ultimately she ended up having sex with him too. This lead to all sorts of legal complications as we had to have separate lawyers since her defense was that I had forced her into it, etc. In the end, we both plead "No Contest" and got probation with no jail time.

This leads to the interesting question, "How do you castrate a woman?" Removal of the ovaries doesn't do it, since the female hormones don't control the woman's sex drive in the same manner as Testosterone controls a man's. In our case, my wife had already had a total hysterectomy before the incident for which we were arrested. Perhaps a clitoridectomy would have been one possible method to control the female sex drive. Surgically removing the breasts could also be a viable option, since the female breast is a symbol of femininity much like a man's testicles are a symbol of his masculinity. Had such a thing been offered to my wife at the time of her arrest, I think she would have voluntarily agreed to it.

Along those same lines, perhaps certain egregious male sex offenders should have their penis truncated or removed completely. I've thought about it and would accept it.

[Blaise (imported)]

Castration of a sex offender is still punishment despite the "voluntary" aspect. When I was arrested and charged with a non-violent statutory sex offense back in the mid-1970's, I immediately wanted to be castrated as punishment for my crime, and also as a way to get my raging hormones under control. If judicial castration had been offered, regardless of any possible mitigation of sentence, I would have agree to it without reservation. You see, I was so shocked at finding out that I was a "pervert" that I was desperate to do anything to undo what I had done. Before that, I'd never even gotten a traffic ticket!

With castration unavailable to me, I arranged for an immediate vasectomy as a substitute operation. Later on, I found out about animal castration techniques and tried banding without much sucess. Then some 30-years later, I found the EA and now I have managed a DIY bloodless castration using a homemade device. I still want my dead testicles surgically removed as "closure," and also to give myself, and anyone who needs to know, physical proof of my condition.

Currently, the category of "sex offender" covers a wide spectrum of behavior, from exhibitionism to violent rape. Not everyone in this range of offenders would be a good candidate for castration.

Females can also be sex offenders. In my case, I introduced my wife to the teenage boy that I was "molesting" and ultimately she ended up having sex with him too. This lead to all sorts of legal complications as we had to have separate lawyers since her defense was that I had forced her into it, etc. In the end, we both plead "No Contest" and got probation with no jail time.

This leads to the interesting question, "How do you castrate a woman?" Removal of the ovaries doesn't do it, since the female hormones don't control the woman's sex drive in the same manner as Testosterone controls a man's. In our case, my wife had already had a total hysterectomy before the incident for which we were arrested. Perhaps a clitoridectomy would have been one possible method to control the female sex drive. Surgically removing the breasts could also be a viable option, since the female breast is a symbol of femininity much like a man's testicles are a symbol of his masculinity. Had such a thing been offered to my wife at the time of her arrest, I think she would have voluntarily agreed to it.

Along those same lines, perhaps certain egregious male sex offenders should have their penis truncated or removed completely. I've thought about it and would accept it.

I recall some details from what happened to you and your wife. I deliberately use the passive voice. I think it did happen to you. What you endured is painful. I think you are hard on yourselves. You are not monsters. You are human beings who are muck like the rest of us.

[mrt (imported)]

Well said.

Its true that Male Sexuality takes a greater hit then female sexuality but I think adults "fucking" with kids is totally wrong. Female adults doing young boys or adult males doing young girls.

For God's sake, let kids be kids.

It's a cultural bias:

13 year old boy banging the school assistant = lucky bastard.

13 year old girl being banged by school master = abused victim.

23 year old woman never had sex = Moral and pure.

23 year old man never had sex = God! Is he a repressed faggot?

It seems absurd written out in black and white: but to a greater or lesser degree such biases pervade society.

[Kangan (imported)]

I recall some details from what happened to you and your wife. I deliberately use the passive voice. I think it did happen to you. What you endured is painful. I think you are hard on yourselves. You are not monsters. You are human beings who are muck like the rest of us.

You are quite correct. We were muck and scum that did a terrible thing (at least in the eyes of the public). We cannot undo this act so we can only chastise ourselves repeatedly.

My apologies to Messilina - I didn't intend to hijack your thread....

[Kangan (imported)]

Well said.

Its true that Male Sexuality takes a greater hit then female sexuality but I think adults "fucking" with kids is totally wrong. Female adults doing young boys or adult males doing young girls.

For God's sake, let kids be kids.

I agree.

However, the "kids" that I got involved with were banging each other and having incest besides. That does not excuse my role in the affair however.

[Blaise (imported)]

You are quite correct. We were muck and scum that did a terrible thing (at least in the eyes of the public). We cannot undo this act so we can only chastise ourselves repeatedly.

My apologies to Messilina - I didn't intend to hijack your thread....

From the little contact I have had with you, I like you. I don't think of you as bad people. I think you need healing and forgiveness.

[Messalina (imported)]

I am assuming we are speaking of egregious, capital sexual re-offenders here. Once the precedent has been set, time and again a small, rabidly vocal minority is continously wearying themselves trying to increase the scope to include more and more offenses into the law. Anti-abortionists and anti-marijuana advocates are a couple examples.

Some countries put out eyes, cut off hands and other outrageous atrocities in the name of justice. Including clitorectomies and other genital mutilation on women. Barbaric is the main adjective I hear those who decry such activities use.

How many proponents of castrating male sexual offender recidivists favor genital mutilation for female sexual re-offenders also in such a law?

I thought so.......

Most definitely a double standard here, wouldn't you say?

Thank you.

Hello there,

How are you? It's obvious from your response that, you've not read all of my previous posts on this matter. So, you're expressing what seems to be the typical "knee-jerk" reaction. <heavy sigh> If you had bothered to read my previous posts (there aren't that many), you'd know that; (A.) yes, my subject was recidivist violent sexual predators and or pedophiles... (B.) I wasn't suggesting castration as punishment but, as treatment for these individuals... (C.) It wasn't to be "forced" on them, rather offered as an alternative to a lengthy prison term. This for those convicted of a third sex crime.

BTW, I've stated often that, this would and has worked for male sexual offenders. However, as for female sex offenders or predators, I'm not sure what course of treatment (if any) would be effective. In any event, I firmly believe that, ALL those that commit heinous sex crimes (particulalry, against kids) must be held to account before the bar of justice. If, I've not made that "crystal" clear, (ere now) let me do so now!

So, no I wouldn't say, "A double standard here".

Warm regards,

Messalina

[Messalina (imported)]

Castration of a sex offender is still punishment despite the "voluntary" aspect. When I was arrested and charged with a non-violent statutory sex offense back in the mid-1970's, I immediately wanted to be castrated as punishment for my crime, and also as a way to get my raging hormones under control. If judicial castration had been offered, regardless of any possible mitigation of sentence, I would have agree to it without reservation. You see, I was so shocked at finding out that I was a "pervert" that I was desperate to do anything to undo what I had done. Before that, I'd never even gotten a traffic ticket!

With castration unavailable to me, I arranged for an immediate vasectomy as a substitute operation. Later on, I found out about animal castration techniques and tried banding without much sucess. Then some 30-years later, I found the EA and now I have managed a DIY bloodless castration using a homemade device. I still want my dead testicles surgically removed as "closure," and also to give myself, and anyone who needs to know, physical proof of my condition.

Currently, the category of "sex offender" covers a wide spectrum of behavior, from exhibitionism to violent rape. Not everyone in this range of offenders would be a good candidate for castration.

Females can also be sex offenders. In my case, I introduced my wife to the teenage boy that I was "molesting" and ultimately she ended up having sex with him too. This lead to all sorts of legal complications as we had to have separate lawyers since her defense was that I had forced her into it, etc. In the end, we both plead "No Contest" and got probation with no jail time.

This leads to the interesting question, "How do you castrate a woman?" Removal of the ovaries doesn't do it, since the female hormones don't control the woman's sex drive in the same manner as Testosterone controls a man's. In our case, my wife had already had a total hysterectomy before the incident for which we were arrested. Perhaps a clitoridectomy would have been one possible method to control the female sex drive. Surgically removing the breasts could also be a viable option, since the female breast is a symbol of femininity much like a man's testicles are a symbol of his masculinity. Had such a thing been offered to my wife at the time of her arrest, I think she would have voluntarily agreed to it.

Along those same lines, perhaps certain egregious male sex offenders should have their penis truncated or removed completely. I've thought about it and would accept it.

Hello there,

Why are you so obsessed with the notions of "undoing something", atoning, chasting, and punishing yourself!? I've tried to communicate this to you on an earlier occasion; THERE IS NO UNDOING OR ATONING!!! What's done is done. However, in my faith there's such a thing as confession followed by repentance, with the ALL important "act of contrition".

Although, there's no atonement possible, there are many things that can be done in that vein. One could contribute financially to organizations that, work with victims of sexual trauma. A person might volunteer his time in support of advocacy groups that, petition state and or federal legislators in changing laws. One could submit himself for study, to groups researching sex crimes and those that commit them. A person might keep an "eye out" for sex predators in his neighbourhood and report same to authorities. There are many positive things that, someone could do in the "spirit of atonement". AND who knows, in the great "cosmic scheme of things", this may make a positive difference in someone's life.

What counts is the "effort" towards atonement. However, (as with anything else) this only becomes possible when, one stops focusing on self.

Messalina

[datyiasp (imported)]

M'lina

Sorry I upset you.

Calm down. Things will be all right.

My post on 9/28 started it.

Please slap me instead of Kangan. I agree with Blaise's post #38. Kangan is a tormented soul.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. I can fix that.

I like you and your ideas. I've read all of your posts and look forward to many more.

Easy, Girl.

Let me think and I'll get back to you soon.

I hope we can become friends. I get along very well with folk like you and am confident things will work out for our mutual satisfaction.

I understand. No need for a heavy sigh.

Thank you.

[kennath7 (imported)]

One could contribute financially to organizations that, work with victims of sexual trauma.

A person might volunteer his time in support of advocacy groups that, petition state and or federal legislators in changing laws.

One could submit himself for study, to groups researching sex crimes and those that commit them.

A person might keep an "eye out" for sex predators in his neighbourhood and report same to authorities.

There are many positive things that, someone could do in the "spirit of atonement". AND who knows, in the great "cosmic scheme of things", this may make a positive difference in someone's life.

What counts is the "effort" towards atonement. However, (as with anything else) this only becomes possible when, one stops focusing on self.

That is a quite a thought provoking list and some do not take that much effort

There are lots of victims who are hearting and just need some one to listen

And be there for support

[Messalina (imported)]

M'lina

Sorry I upset you.

Calm down. Things will be all right.

My post on 9/28 started it.

Please slap me instead of Kangan. I agree with Blaise's post #38. Kangan is a tormented soul.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. I can fix that.

I like you and your ideas. I've read all of your posts and look forward to many more.

Easy, Girl.

Let me think and I'll get back to you soon.

I hope we can become friends. I get along very well with folk like you and am confident things will work out for our mutual satisfaction.

I understand. No need for a heavy sigh.

Thank you.

Hi there,

How are you? It was the tone evident in YOUR posting that, I found disturbing. You seemed to be equating, my advocacy and support of voluntary castration (more or less) with punishment and barbarism. I believe in double orchiectomies as treatment not punishment. Personally, I think the surgery has to be voluntary, to be an effective treatment. The optimum goal is; to help heal the "damaged" individual whilst, protecting society. As you know doubt are aware, (but, for the benefit of others) the majority of sexual predators were themselves abused.

I'm not a mental health professional and I've never met Kagan. So, I'm not qualified to evaluate the state of his mental health. However, I've had some communication with him. AND it's clear to me that, he has some "issues" with his past. The point I tried to make to him is that, there's nothing he can do to change it. Also, he seems to have some misguided notion that, punishing himself will somehow, equate to penitence for his sins. As if, this will in some way "make up" for what, he has done. Obviously, nothing can. I certainly don't feel any better off, because he feels bad.

However, there are things he can do in the present that, might

make a positive difference in someone's life.

I'm refering to victims of sexual assault and potential victims. In any event, if he's indeed the "Tormented soul" you say he is, the less time he spends focused on self the better. Besides, (as hokey as it sounds) the more "good" we do for others, the more good we do for ourselves. I think, if Herr Kagan does things to make others feel better, the better he'll feel towards himself.

Please don't patronize me. "Calm down", "Things will be all right", and "Easy girl" are all fine examples.. particularly, the last one. I'm not a horse, even if I do look like one! Indeed, it was the tone of your message that, had a caustic tone.. seems to me. Then again, I'm sensitive re: these matters. Your're communicating with a survivor of sexual assault, never forget that. I've been "upfront" about that, as they say.. this side the "pond". Also, I get a lot of grief from my colleagues re: my advocacy activities. I'm in a predominantly male field. So, I guess I'm "touchy" at that!

Warm regards,

Messalina

[Messalina (imported)]

That is a quite a thought provoking list and some do not take that much effort

There are lots of victims who are hearting and just need some one to listen

And be there for support

Hello there,

How are you? You're indeed correct re: victims needing someone to tell their story to without judgement. However, I was making refence to what someone guilty of inflicting the damage might do. Thank you, for you positive comments.

Warm regards,

Messalina

[datyiasp (imported)]

M'lina;

Touche!

I apologize for upsetting you.

All of us have "issues". We all react differently to them. One person may face an issue by "taking the bull by the horns" where another person might tackle the same issue by jumping off a bridge. Each of us are uniquely strong in some aspects of our lives and weak in other aspects.

I understand you. You are a strong person.

I understand Kangan. He is reaching out for help, We have every intention of finding him and helping restore his life. Regardless of my feelings toward anyone, I cannot leave a person in outer darkness. I've been there and I won't let friend or enemy slip past me and go over that edge.

This is your thread called "Introduction II" and I respect that. "Introduction I" has been ruined by some people already.

When you cool down and if you feel like it, you're welcome to contact me directly and we can rectify any perceived differences of opinion without entertaining the masses.

Thank you.

[robi (imported)]

Hello Messalina,

I have the same opinion like you what a man has to give a gift to a woman.

I did not rape any woman but so strong in 6-drive so from time to time I would

like to catch a woman for havin 6. I do believe the reason the balls are only.

Take them away and the world will be better in future.

But most men like me are strong in desire to loose this "ugly" thing by a woman or a group of women. Do you think you can keep a fresh german eunuch in your "harem"? I wanna go in.

Robi