Kimmel's Impending Retirement

[Hash (imported)]

If Spector & Dr. Kimmel were/are willing to do castrations, then there has to be others who are willing. However, they need some motivation. What would motivate someone to do castrations?

[nullorchis (imported)]

Makes me almost wish I had gone to med school. What an interesting career helping set free all those testicles. But alas all I did was computer stuff. I do wonder what happens to them after they are removed. I know if they are removed for medical reasons they slice and dice them and do all kinds of exams on the contents. Do you get to keep them? If not just what happens to them? Kind of a gross question, with perhaps a gross answer, but I haven't seen anyone discuss their final destination.

With so many people in this world one would think that somewhere out there would be a trained female doctor who had in her this hidden desire, or hidden revenge, who would be more than willing to accommodate; a desire so strong that the insurance and legal issues would not get in her way.

As it is these days the best way to get them orbs removed is if they are diagnosed as having a tumor. I've always thought of them as two tumors that should be removed, like tonsils, since I discovered what they were doing to me. Now if the good doctor, or friend of the doctor, owned a lab, I suppose one might be able to get a diagnosis of a tumor, which would help one obtain a proper operation. But of course such activity would be fradulent and put those in charge at great risk, so that's not likely. A flight to India might soon be the only way to get it done.

[Hash (imported)]

Nullorchis,

You brought up an interesting subject. The reality has to be, that at least one female doctor in the U.S. would have a secret desire to castrate men. Finding her and introducing her to our community is the difficulty. I suggest we brainstorm and figure out a way of doing this. Perhaps we can entice a female doctor to do what Kimmel does. It would be great if we could enlist Kimmel to at least help us. I can't understand why he wouldn't want to help, unless he thinks he can continue doing this forever. Certainly a letter sent out by him would be more widely accepted.

Surely there has to be a lesbian surgeon who has this desire. The desire to castrate is key. Since there are several transgendered doctors (Dr. Bowers in Colorado, Dr. McGinn in Pennsylvania) doing transgender surgery, why don't we pursue them first.

What about preparing a professional looking letter using medical vocabulary that each of us could send out to as many female urologists, surgeons, gynecologists, etc. I know, I know, what would it say? Who should write it?

[smoothie36 (imported)]

Based on recent postings, having Dr K castrate you is a risky process. Since I heard he has been doing this for 50 years I suspect he is in his early 80s. You may be in a group that gets a fine result, but you certaily don't want to be in the other group. I appreciate his support of our interest, but now seems to be the time to pass the Scalpel. What do we do now?

[Kangan (imported)]

Based on recent postings, having Dr K castrate you is a risky process. Since I heard he has been doing this for 50 years I suspect he is in his early 80s. You may be in a group that gets a fine result, but you certaily don't want to be in the other group. I appreciate his support of our interest, but now seems to be the time to pass the Scalpel. What do we do now?

Dr. Kimmel claims to be 73 or 74. He could be 83 or 84. His age doesn't really matter much, as it is his lack of coordination that is the problem.

Hash has the right idea, but the implementation of it could be a problem.

I'm planning to explore some ways to find another doctor, but I fear that this will take some time.

[Hash (imported)]

Here's my first attempt:

Dear Dr. ____________

We of the EA Eunuch community are searching for a Urologist/Plastic Surgeon to perform voluntary bilateral orchiectomy surgery. We believe that the members of our group have the right to this type of elective surgery upon request. We know that choosing this surgery may seem out of line with mainstream surgical protocols, but it will prevent unnecessary tragedies from happening. Every year hundreds of our members attempt self-castration out of frustration and a persistent nagging desire to be neutered. Failure to find a qualified surgeon will force many to pursue castration on their own. We can put you in contact with our current urologist if you so desire. He may or may not respond. Please consider our request. Your response will be appreciated.

[kristoff]

Here's my first attempt:

Dear Dr. ____________

We of the EA Eunuch community are searching for a Urologist/Plastic Surgeon to perform voluntary bilateral orchiectomy surgery. We believe that the members of our group have the right to this type of elective surgery upon request. We know that choosing this surgery may seem out of line with mainstream surgical protocols, but it will prevent unnecessary tragedies from happening. Every year hundreds of our members attempt self-castration out of frustration and a persistent nagging desire to be neutered. Failure to find a qualified surgeon will force many to pursue castration on their own. We can put you in contact with our current urologist if you so desire. He may or may not respond. Please consider our request. Your response will be appreciated.

dont alienate people with this sort of thing. this is something that needs to be approached with tact and discretion that is never evident in any kind of letter like this.

[calmeilles (imported)]

Although I laud the thought I fear that I have to agree with Kristoff (again? This is becoming a bad habit).

It's entirely selfish: some years hence I might want a good, reliable surgeon myself, so I pray that this most delicate of searches is conducted with the utmost caution.

Matthew

[I Worship Women (imported)]

If Dr. Kimmel is getting as bad as those here are saying he is, then anymore, is Dr. Kimmel really that much safer than a "cutter"? While Dr. Kimmel has served the eunuch community well for years and we thank him for that, every surgeon reaches a point where age forces them to retire due to lack of coordination, and it seems as if Dr. Kimmel has reached that point. If there is a serious problem then I think men seeking castration need to know and something needs to be done about Dr. Kimmel before he seriously injures or even kills someone with a botched surgery.

While finding a replacement or replacements for Dr. Kimmel is something many feel needs to be done, that search process is as others have pointed out, a delecate process. Those doing that searching need to be aware of that and watch how they approach it.

I also agree that for a number of the straight men here seeking castration, it would be great if a woman surgeon or women surgeons could be found willing to do elective orchiectomies like Dr. Kimmel does. For men like me who have a specific femdom castration fantasy/scenario/fetishes, it would be wonderful if a woman surgeon or women surgeons could be found who are willing to within reason incorporate that into the procedure, but I realize that is probably just dreaming.

My main point here is that if Dr. Kimmel is as bad as some here are saying, then he presents not a help but a dangerous situation and that needs to be noted and handled somehow.

[raymar2020 (imported)]

Outside the Archive , i have had a discussion with numerous people about the need for either additional outlets for castration, or for a youinger replacement for Dr Kimmel.

I personally have no knowledge of Dr Kimmel's abilities or lack of them. I have not met him, or even talked with him, but I can assume from his advancing age, that he is certainly less capable than he was 20 years ago.

I did do a bit of research, and in all honesty, taking over his practice, or starting a new one from scratch , would be very lucrative for a young urologist.

With the avergae cost for a surgeon to do a bilateral orchiectomy in a clinical envirnment at about 2500.00 (facilityand surgical costs), doing 1000 of them a year , is a gross income of 2.5 million. Add to that voluntary penectomies or partials, and scrotal reductions, and other gential clean up procedures, and mods, and you could easily be looking at a first year gross income of 3-4 million.

A clinic located near a major airport, and hotels, would be an excellent choice. East transportation, and likely a location that is not close to other medical facilities. The watchful eye of the AMA, then would be less.

There is no law that I know of against volunatry castration or penectomy, it is just frowned on by the medical community.

A daring and entruepenurally motivated young surgeon, could do far worse than to make the investment to set up and operate a clinic for this community. For most in this forum, the sex of said surgeon is not the major issue, its finding a surgeon who is willing.

Dr Kimmel, by most reports has served this community well for a long time, and as such should be respected for his efforts. Now as his time comes to a close, an intelligent, and thoughtful search must be mounted to find, and assist a surgeon in replacing him.

Raymar

[SplitDik (imported)]

With the avergae cost for a surgeon to do a bilateral orchiectomy in a clinical envirnment at about 2500.00 (facilityand surgical costs), doing 1000 of them a year , is a gross income of 2.5 million. Add to that voluntary penectomies or partials, and scrotal reductions, and other gential clean up procedures, and mods, and you could easily be looking at a first year gross income of 3-4 million.

Well, I'm not sure surgeons generally perform 1000 surgeries per year, unless perhaps they are very sought after and work with a major hospital. There are only about 200 working days per year and the surgeon has to spend time with consultations and aftercare. So I would guess a healthy practice would average maybe two surgeries per day. So that comes out to about 400 per year, leading to gross income of about $1 million per year.

And that is gross income -- he has to pay taxes, staff costs, facility costs, and insurance.

To make good money in surgery game you have to do more expensive operations on a regular basis.

In any case, you're only going to get a second-rate surgeon going after this business.

There is no law that I know of against volunatry castration or penectomy, it is just frowned on by the medical community.

Actually, it is both illegal and also unethical according to physician ethics code. In order to be legal and ethical, amputating healthy organs from a person requires at least some agreed medical condition diagnosis (e.g. transgender) for which the standard practice needs to be the amputation.

[Hash (imported)]

Hey, it's just a suggestion. I am not sure how this alienates people, I'm just trying to find a solution to our dilemma. If a letter is deemed inappropriate, then what do you suggest? Hash

[smoothie36 (imported)]

I think it is time to stop discussing Dr. K's past or current capabilities, or how much money can be made doing elective orchiectomies.

I also think we should encourage ideas on how to get other Dr.'s to understand that an elective Orchiectomy is very beneficial for certain individuals, and should not be regarded as unimaginable. Men are discriminated against compared to women who have the right to do all sorts of things with their bodies.

My suggestion to for everyone to call three urologists and inquire if they would perform an elective Orchiectomy. We might be surprised by the result.

[sduyck_2000 (imported)]

i spend my spare time emailing and calling urologists across the country

1 in ten says yes

i never follow up ..because i cant

i compiled a small list

kimmel is the only one well known

the rest want to hide or get you in the office so they can bill you

[smoothie36 (imported)]

Sidney,

Do you have a "canned" speech for each one? Do you start by asking the receptionist? Do you ask to speak to the Dr. first? Given that they say yes, do you ask how to follow up? Any advice on "approach"?

Smoothie

[Hash (imported)]

Marci Bowers said the following on a recent interview:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Sex-Change- ... 58306.aspx

"I've been an OB-GYN for twenty-two years and did quite a bit of obstetrics and surgery. Through the course of things, I went through my own gender transition and befriended Dr. Biber, who he indicated they needed doctoring help in this area. He was in his 80's at the time, so he literally was hanging on to get someone in the practice to continue what he established. I gained expertise in male-to-female vaginoplasties, and our next milestone is 600 surgeries."

Biber was in his 80's at the time? He was still doing TG surgeries at that age? Wow. He indicated they/he needed doctoring help in this area and Marci B. got her start. From that I glean that Dr. K might one day suggest to someone that he needs help.

[nullorchis (imported)]

Actually, it is both illegal and also unethical according to physician ethics code. In order to be legal and ethical, amputating healthy organs from a person requires at least some agreed medical condition diagnosis (e.g. transgender) for which the standard practice needs to be the amputation.

How about offshore? A week or two cruise for everyone who wants to get rid of healthy, but unwanted, organs? A great way to have it done under the guise of a vacation. Plenty of time to recover, with accessible follow up care. On a ship registered in some country other than the USA, in the open seas, seems plausible. Must be qualified doctors around the world who would be open to making money in such a scenario. Money could be put into, and paid out of a trust fund, administered outside of the USA.

It would have to be a smaller ship operated by an individual. Corporations would not want the publicity. Undoubtedly there could be fringe benefits for those so interested: Watching procedures in person or on closed circuit TV, video recording, swapping DVD's of before, during, after procedure, etc. Dang, I'm ready to sign up.

[Kangan (imported)]

Day 30 after castration at the hands of Dr. Kimmel.

I still have a hole in my scrotum that is seeping a small quantity of blood. This means I still have to wear sterile pads and a supporter. Urologist says to be patient. Luckily there is nothing wrong with the sutures on the cords, or I could be in big trouble.

Dr. Kimmel needs to retire.

[Hash (imported)]

If the good doctor retired, would that lead to more self-castration attempts? Wouldn't they have more dire consequences? Is it better to be castrated, even with some problems, by someone who's done over a thousand? I'm just asking the question.

[Geraden (imported)]

Actually, it is both illegal and also unethical according to physician ethics code. In order to be legal and ethical, amputating healthy organs from a person requires at least some agreed medical condition diagnosis (e.g. transgender) for which the standard practice needs to be the amputation.

If this is true, how does Kimmel get away with just a consent form?

[kristoff]

If this is true, how does Kimmel get away with just a consent form?

Because it is not illegal - at least in the USA. The medical commuity as a whole looks askance at it, and it hovers on the edge of violating the hippocratic oath - viz, do no harm, etc. However, an argument can be made on either side of the ethics issues - nothing is set in stone.

[Hash (imported)]

Kristoff,

I think I learn something every time I read the message boards. I had never heard the word "askance" Kristoff, so I looked it up. Mistrust, etc. You have enlightened me! Tanks!

[sduyck_2000 (imported)]

yes i have a canned speech

do you have a doctor that will do a elective bilateral orchiectomy

usually the receptionist will say what is that

then i say ..can i talk to the staff nurse or the person that makes the appointments

the nurse usually gets on the phone and says either yes or no or i will ask the doctors..get put on hold then get yes or no...sometimes ..the nurse asks why....i usually say its my choice to get it done

some nurses are very curious

i talked to a nurse for 45 minutes the other day in Ontario oregon

she was very helpful

i get all kinds of responses