Castration for Sex Offenders

[madscientist (imported)]

This is a contraversial subject. Those who say it is too drastic point out that mistakes can be made. However, this does not stop the death penalty, the most drastic punishment of them all, & like castration, irreversible. There are those who say that a determined sex offender will take testosterone, thus negating the effects of the surgery. Maybe. But unless we wish to incarcerate these people for life it is really impossible to keep the truly determined from re-offending.

[Sherry (imported)]

This is a contraversial subject. Those who say it is too drastic point out that mistakes can be made. However, this does not stop the death penalty, the most drastic punishment of them all, & like castration, irreversible. There are those who say that a determined sex offender will take testosterone, thus negating the effects of the surgery. Maybe. But unless we wish to incarcerate these people for life it is really impossible to keep the truly determined from re-offending.

I'll admit that like most people, I would like to see sex offenders get the worst punishment.

My concern is that the sex offender could not only take testosterone, but if castrated against his will, he may turn out to be a very vengeful eunuch, and I would be just as afraid of a vengeful eunuch as I would a non-castrated offender. You may have to incarcerate offenders for life anyway.

Some offenders do seek castration on their own initiative. A voluntary castration may help them with rehabilitation. I believe that such offenders should be granted surgical castration if they do wish it, but not as a substitute for prision time. Let them do the time if they've done the crime.

[Paolo]

One of the biggest problems in Society is that there seems to be no punishment for serious crimes, yet ridiculous punishments for petty crimes.

Has it been proven that innocent people have spent years in prison? Yes. What's to become of them, had they been sentenced to some irreversible punishment, such as castration/nullification?

It's a real can of worms to reopen, but it's also interesting to note that in cultures that are "less advanced" than ours, certain crimes (such as theft - cut off a hand, rape - cut off the penis) are virtually nonexistant.

[Andrew (imported)]

This is a contraversial subject. Those who say it is too drastic point out that mistakes can be made. However, this does not stop the death penalty, the most drastic punishment of them all, & like castration, irreversible. There are those who say that a determined sex offender will take testosterone, thus negating the effects of the surgery. Maybe. But unless we wish to incarcerate these people for life it is really impossible to keep the truly determined from re-offending.

I doubt if mandatory castration would do the slightest good. Now informed, voluntary castration would be OK. Problem: can it be voluntary if it is offered as way of getting reduced prison time?

But yes, I would say that if the rapist has a sincere desire to not offend again, voluntary castration would work, either surgical or chemical. Now, who determines what is "sincere"?

In its early years, the Third Tradition of Alcoholics Anonymous read that the only requirement for membership was an HONEST desire to stop drinking. After a few years they had to drop the word "honest" since nobody could figure out how to test or measure for it.

And that will always be a problem as far as castration for sex crimes goes. If it is for punishment, it will never work. If it is for treatment, who determines who gets the treatment and under what conditions?

[Riverwind (imported)]

wow, had my responce all ready then read the posts above and may need to reconcider. I guess I would agree that the time must be served for the crime, castration I think must still be on a volintary bases. This is a tough topic with no real answer, then you through lawyers in the mix and..........

I guess my heart says cut the guys balls off.

My brain comes up with all sorts of objections.

River,

[madscientist (imported)]

Has it been proven that innocent people have spent years in prison? Yes. What's to become of them, had they been sentenced to some irreversible punishment, such as castration/nullification?

It has been proven that innocent people have

been EXECUTED (remember Bruno Hauptman?), may they rest in peace, yet we still continue on with the death penalty. I would rather be castrated than dead.

[plezherus (imported)]

We need crime. Crime keeps people busy.

Crime is good!;)

-plezherus

[Paolo]

Crime keeps Dunkin Donuts in business. Think of this : no crime, no cops. No cops, no donut shops. Lost jobs. Bad economy - or worse economy I should say! Higher crime rate ... oops, sounds like a viscious circle!

And before someone mentions it, let me say - no, I do not like cops. I know 5, 2 personally, that are honest and law abiding. IMHO, the rest of them are donut munching, coffee swilling idiots who smoke their own evidence.

[luvpain (imported)]

I tend to lean towards mandatory castration, especially of repeat sex offenders. However I do agree that mandatory castration would be hard to pass, and I'm also in to giving people a 2nd Chance. However if they strike out twice they are out in my game.

I think it would be fair to offer voluntary castration to first time offenders, which would reduce their jail time by no more than 1/4 (25%). For those of you concerned about them taking Testosterone afterwards, make that illegal for them and have a mandatory periodic monitoring. If they are shown to be taking Testosterone then they would be jailed.

As for the revenge for being cut for punishment, I believe that that percentage would be very small, especially when compared to the number of repeat offenders. However, I think if they knew if that their 3rd offense would result in a penectomy being preformed on them, with a hefty jail sentence that might be a good deterrence to them

Most criminals are not very bright , they are bound to make plenty of mistakes and get caught. :tongueout

[Pueros]

I have to disagree very much with luvpain.

He apparently suggests that some injustice by the justice system is acceptable.

Well, no it isn't!

In the 21st century, surely there are better ways of dealing with those found guilty of crimes than killing or, given this thread, compulsorily castrating them. Not only are many subsequently found to be innocent but, also, there is no real evidence that such action is a true deterrent to others!

Additionally, does such barbarism have a role to play in modern times? Shouldn't we above such practices?

At present, western nations pontificate to others about the superiority of our ethics & civilisation. However, if such awful judicial punishments are continued/introduced into our societies, where does that place us in the civilised pecking order?

History is my profession & I've learnt from it that such regressive attitudes & policies are to be avoided at all costs, as next to suffer will be the liberal attitudes to boards such as this!

PUEROS

[Zoroaster (imported)]

Another thing you need to take into account is what sort of sex offense the person was convicted of. A person who has sex with children might stop because that person is attracted to them sexually and without sex drive they're not attracted to anything. A person who thinks of himself as a rapist will not. It's been clearly shown that a rapist rapes for power, not to get off, unlike a pedophile. Therefore, castrating rapists would not likely have the desired effect. There were German studies back in the 20's that also confirmed this; I can't present my source but it was in some book on the history of eugenics; there can't be that many of them.

[Eu John (imported)]

This is a question that I have been asked several times in the many years that I have been a Eunuch. My answer is yes providing the accused is a repeat offender. I realize that not all of you here are actually Eunuchs, so it may be difficult for one who is not to understand how one of us feels. Fortunately, I have several fellow Veteran friends who are also Eunuchs and we have discussed this and seem to share pretty much the same feelings and desires regarding sex or our lack thereof. Being able to understand how an individuals life would be after he is gelded makes us agree that this sort of operation should be performed on such an offender. I hope this has been of help.

[Charlieje (imported)]

Eu John,

My only problem with mandatory castration, as has already been stated, is that it is a very simple matter to obtain a prescription for hormones, and that could turn a bad situation worse. I had been a eunuch for almost 3 years when I allowed myself to start taking HRT. WOW! Almost instantly I was a raging sex animal with all the desires and abilities of an 18 year old! I really did do some things that I will regret, and pay for, the rest of my life!

My point is, if someone is castrated against his will, how long do you think it will take for him to get his hands on some testosterone? In my opinion, if a person is a sex offender, he or she belongs in jail! Period!

[happousai (imported)]

>

My point is, if someone is castrated against his will, how

> long do you think it will take for him to get his hands on

> some testosterone?

What about the drug called "Gonex" which destroys the cells in the brain that react to testosterone/estrogen? Does that make it impossible for HRT to work?

[A-1 (imported)]

Maybe they should try cutting off the LARGE head on top of the shoulders.

A-1

[A-1 (imported)]

you say

>

My point is, if someone is castrated against his will, how

> long do you

think it will take for him to get his hands on

> some testosterone?

What about the drug called "Gonex" which destroys the cells in the brain that react to testosteron

e/estrogen? Does that make it impossible for HRT to work?

I understood that it destroys the part of the pitutary gland in the brain that secretes the protien that causes the testicles to secrete testosterone AND the ovaries to secrete estrogen.

The problem is that if this gets into the food chain through hamburger or some such meat that all of the sexual characteristics of the population could be stunted.

Well, just a pet theory of mine, but well-grounded in science...

A-1:(

[Mac (imported)]

Anything short of total nullification would not be effective for male sex offenders. However, this would be an appropriate punishment for them.

Then, what would be an appropriate punishment for female sex offenders?

[A-1 (imported)]

Anything short of total nullification would not be effective for male sex offenders. However, this would be an appropriate punishment for them.



Then, what would be an appropriate punishment for female sex offenders?

A stint in the dungeon of Master Waddie or myself....and/or a daily appearance on the Jerry Springer Show until they have paid their debt to society, according to their suitability to be allowed in our dungeons.

A-1

[Ilya (imported)]

Folks,

Doesn't this discussion sort of beg the question of what's wrong with our society in the first place so that it fosters this type of behavior? It's like discussing how to drain the corn field when the subject should really be how to prevent it from becoming flooded in the first place.

I'm not denigrating this thread, I'm just trying to add another dimension to it. And, no, I don't feel that involuntary castration (though it makes great fantasy) would make much of a difference. The urge comes from kinks in a person's character rather than "problematic" testes. How does one's testosterone level relate to female sexual molesters?

When it comes to influences on sexual matters in the US, I tend to cast a very suspicious, almost accusatory, eye towards "Puritan attitudes" -- sexual contact is sinful, for procreation only, not to be discussed (even to the point of educating our children about it!), sexual urges are to be surpressed at all costs because they're impure, and the like.

Whether it's true or not, I view Americans as a whole as having far greater sexual hangups than people in other western cultures, not to mention non-western cultures, and as an extension, all the agressive, non-consentual sexual expression that arises from those hangups.

Regarding the poll, I'd cast my vote for "none of the above," except that it's not a choice.

[Pueros]

I agree with Ilya's comments.

What amazes me most about many of the messages in this thread are the illiberal attitudes displayed, which I find strange for a sexually liberal internet board.

Is this a particularly American phenomenon?

PUEROS

[Bboy]

In my hometown library there was a book called "Children In Chains" about the sex and porn trade, mostly as is applied to child sex abuse. The author was a woman and her recommendations were basically surgical 'fixing' of sex offenders.

She recommended hysterectomy for women and ... get this ... severing the nerves to the penis for men. Quite a bit of difference in punishment, don't you think? Since having a hysterectomy would do nothing to diminish a woman's cliteral and vaginal pleasure, which the same can't be said for a man with a completely numb penis.

[Riverwind (imported)]

Bboy

She sounds like one of the women libers who burned her bra in the 60's. however I do like the idea of severing the nerves for the penis, but then sew the hole shut and remove the clit on the females. Tit for tat.

River

[happousai (imported)]

> sew the hole shut

Or less reversibly: perform a vaginectomy, where the vaginal canal is actually excised out of the body, and the opening is sewn shut.

But, penises can be used to rape people. It's harder to do so using a vagina...

[Mac (imported)]

Or less reversibly: perform a vaginectomy, where the vaginal canal is actually excised out of the body, and the opening is sewn shut.

But, penises can be used to rape people. It's harder to do so using a vagina...

Only because society has been raised to believe that only men can be sexual aggressors.

[radar (imported)]

Only because society has been raised to believe that only men can be sexual aggressors.

You're right. Just as some female rape victims have reported experiencing orgasm despite beig terrified and/or repulsed, so some males experience involuntary erection when being sexually attacked. Of course, most here recognize the phenomenon, because it is something that appears frequently in Archive stories. In any case, envelopment can be every bit as aggressive and coercive an act as penetration. Our legal system just doesn't acknowledge that fact.