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Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:43 pm
by Danya (imported)
Tonight, MLF #1 (my lesbian friend #1 - there is a #2 btw :) ) and I went out to dinner to celebrate. She's been having a tough time lately and just got home Friday from a day in the hospital. With multiple health issues, it can be hard to keep all her meds balanced. That was the reason for her hospitalization. They got things right with her meds. I was really relieved that she was back to normal and we had a really relaxing evening together.

She asked me how I was handling my CA brother's rejection of me. I told her I hadn't really thought about him at all lately. I also said that, although the Texas relatives are making some little noises of support, I hadn't heard anything more from them. I did not get an invitation to my nephew's high school graduation and that had bothered me a little for a few days. It's clear he hasn't adjusted to my 'news'. That's the way it goes. I have no expectations for any real support from any part of my biological family. I'm open to the possibility of that changing but it may never happen. I'm completely at peace with that. My friends on the Archive, at work and others locally are in a real sense my family.

After dinner I was getting in my car when I noticed a young man about 30 feet away by his car. He was pulling his shirt off and I've got to say right then he got my attention. :D Once he was shirtless I figured he'd put on another shirt. Instead, right in the middle of the parking lot, he took off his pants, too! There he stood with no shirt and in his boxer underwear. This was right outside a busy restaurant. I figured at that point it was time to leave so I turned on my headlights which shone right one him. He didn't seem to care and I drove off. He was probably changing for a date, or something. I've never seen anything like this before.

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 2:25 pm
by Danya (imported)
To help ensure a smooth transition, it's important that people I work with outside my company (i.e., vendors), know what's going on. In fact, they also need to be told that my transition has full management support, etc.

I just checked my work email account and read a note sent to me by my boss late Friday. My terrific boss had already personally spoken with a number of these outside people before the official notification went out. As it is, I'd already told two of them myself within the last few weeks. At any rate, my boss told me that 'ALL' the outside people have been supportive and had thoughtful questions.

I feel like the path in front of me has been made entirely smooth for Monday. I am very fortunate.

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 10:43 pm
by EricaAnn (imported)
Hi Dayna,

I'm so excited for you and the big event coming tomorrow. Don't be concerned, you'll do just fine.

I know from my own experience that it's going to be a day to look forward to. The first day of your life as really being the person you truly are. It's going to be a beautiful and liberating experience.

As far as the breast thing, have you considered a pair of breast forms? Their available at any shop that carters to the TG world. Knowing where you reside, there should be some kind of a shop of this type in your area.

Anyway, good luck and have fun tomorrow. Just be yourself, relax and I know that everything is going to go well. :)

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:42 am
by Danya (imported)
EricaAnn (imported) wrote: Sun May 18, 2008 10:43 pm Hi Dayna,

I'm so excited for you and the big event coming tomorrow. Don't be concerned, you'll do just fine.

I know from my own experience that it's going to be a day to look forward to. The first day of your life as really being the person you truly are. It's going to be a beautiful and liberating experience.

As far as the breast thing, have you considered a pair of breast forms? Their available at any shop that carters to the TG world. Knowing where you reside, there should be some kind of a shop of this type in your area.

Anyway, good luck and have fun tomorrow. Just be yourself, relax and I know that everything is going to go well. :)

Hi Erica Ann,

Thanks for your good wishes and thoughts. I am excited and know things will go well. You are absolutely correct, it will be the first day of my life being who I truly am for everyone to see. I can hardly believe it's happening and I expect it to be a lot of fun.

Some weeks ago I read that it can help on your first day to meet friends early for breakfast. They would then walk into the building with you to make that easier. I realized early this week that I don't need that and will arrive by myself. :)

I'll check into the breast forms. Macy's is also reported to be very trans friendly and I had looked at breast forms there a few months ago. Yes, I'm positive there are TG-friendly stores in this area that would have all kinds of breast forms.

-Danya

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:49 am
by lindaleah (imported)
Greetings Danya

Congratulations!!!!!

I'm very proud of you for having the courage to charge ahead. And you attitude should serve you well. Have a great day tomorrow and if problems come along I know you will be able to handle them.

I don't post a lot on line but I have followed EricaAnn and others in similar situations. And now you? I'm looking forward to the day I can go full time also.

lindaLeah

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:16 am
by Danya (imported)
lindaleah (imported) wrote: Mon May 19, 2008 3:49 am Greetings Danya

Congratulations!!!!!

I'm very proud of you for having the courage to charge ahead. And you attitude should serve you well. Have a great day tomorrow and if problems come along I know you will be able to handle them.

I don't post a lot on line but I have followed EricaAnn and others in similar situations. And now you? I'm looking forward to the day I can go full time also.

lindaLeah

Hi lindaLeah,

Thank you very much for the congratulations and good wishes! I really appreciate your writing and saying 'hello'.

Best of luck to you as you proceed.

Danya

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:15 am
by Danya (imported)
EricaAnn (imported) wrote: Sun May 18, 2008 10:43 pm As far as the breast thing, have you considered a pair of breast forms? Their available at any shop that carters to the TG world. Knowing where you reside, there should be some kind of a shop of this type in your area.

Erica Ann was right on with the suggestion of using breast forms. I went to Macy's and got a pair for a mere $13! They look terrific.

I've visited web sites where they advertise breast forms that move with your body, jiggle enticingly, warm to your body temperature and so on. Those cost about $150, though. I think I can be patient until the real things develop on their own!

Now I will feel comfortable in whatever I wear, knowing my breasts look like the real thing. These inexpensive breast forms have the proper natural shape.

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:30 am
by Mac (imported)
Danya,

:)Your big day is finally here and you are probably already at work!:)

Please tell us how it went.

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:21 am
by Danya (imported)
Danya,
Mac (imported) wrote: Tue May 20, 2008 1:30 am :)Your big day is finally here and you are probably already at work!:)

Please tell us how it went.

Hi Mac,

Things went very well. I woke up well rested and calm. The only anxiety I had was just a momentary twinge on pulling into the office parking garage.

At first, I was a little disappointed because everyone was treating me the same as always. That is, politely and in a professional way. Couldn't they see that I was very different now? 😄 Of course, the whole purpose of the transition team and the way things were handled was to make things go exactly this smoothly.

I got to my desk and found a beautiful vase filled with roses. The men in my group had chipped in for this. This was a very sweet thing for them to do. I had work to do at that point and while I sent them a nice thank-you note, I didn't really react much emotionally. Now as I write about it I'm in tears. It was such a welcoming note of support from my group that meant a lot to me.

Early in the day the Senior VP of HR stopped by to see if everything was going well. It was going extremely well. Later in the day other members of management in my division checked in with me, too.

When upper management sent out the corporate email announcing my transition, I was surprised that hardly anyone in my division reacted. The type of work we do, though, tends to attract introverted, quiet people. It is also predominantly male. Today, a number of the men went out of their way to talk with me. It was really touching. One or two shared some of their own history. As an aside, Danya is much less introverted and quiet than the norm for my division.

Late in the morning, a young woman from one of the other divisions walked over and handed me a single rose. As I write this now, it seems more incredibly wonderful than when I was at work. She was also wearing a special adornment, a bell. It was then that I heard that a manager in another department, who is very GLBT friendly, sent an email to his friends asking them each to wear something special today to show their support of me. There were several people around me then who made it a point to show me what their special item was. This manager saw me later in the day and was very warm and enthusiastic in his support.

Others stopped me and offered their congratulations and support throughout the day. Yet others easily greeted me as Danya as I passed them.

In the early afternoon, someone from another department I work closely with called and asked when I was going to pay them a visit. So, off I went. Several of the people there didn't recognize me at first. They thought I was a new employee! It was only after a quick talk among themselves that they figured out my identity. I had some very good and affirming conversations with these people.

A woman in my own department, whom I had told at least a month ago about my upcoming transition, asked if I had seen her do a double-take earlier in the day when she had seen me. I hadn't. She mentioned how terrific I looked, as had a number of others throughout the day. What was especially nice in this case was that this younger woman said she could tell how happy I was and that I was glowing.

Yet another woman in my department, who absolutely never wears a dress, wore one today to show her support of me. She also had some very supportive words.

Things are off to a very good start. It was a great day that I will always remember.

Tomorrow, we're having a lunch for GLBT employees and one of the women is baking a cake to celebrate my transition. Really cool! Someone on the group's mailing list also suggested a pot luck in my honor. Not that there's any reason for them to honor me, but it just shows what great people I work with.

Tomorrow evening I'll go out for dinner and drinks with a number of women from work. Life is very good!

-Danya

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:38 pm
by Danya (imported)
After work, I needed to buy a few pairs of slacks. I like going to Land's End for slacks because many of the women's styles give the inseam length. I've yet to see that in another store and at this point I'm still confused by women's size markings on clothes.

I've purchased women's clothing at Land's End before even when still dressing as a male. The first time, I told them I was transgender and would take the items into the men's fitting room. Turns out they consider their fitting rooms unisexual.

After buying a few things at Land's End, I decided to go next door to Penney's to see if I could spot an inexpensive dress. There are no unisex fitting rooms at Penney's and when I've gone in male mode to such stores before I'd simply take women's clothing into the men's changing room. Granted, this got me a few stares but I didn't care. Sometimes, with dresses, I can tell it will fit by holding it up to my shoulders. If it stretches across, it will fit.

I found a really nice dress at Penney's priced at only $15. Now that I'm always dressing as myself, I thought 'what the hell, I'll just walk into the women's fitting rooms to try this on." That's just what I did and no one gave me a second glance.

My therapist would have told me I should wait to receive the 'bathroom letter' from her. It should arrive this week. This essentially states that I am officially transsexual and it's therefore totally OK for me to be in places like the women's rest room. It's also to let a cop who may stop me know that I'm not in disguise after robbing a bank! :D

At any rate, I felt confident at Penney's that I wouldn't have a problem in the women's fitting rooms. I was also trusting people's input that I 'pass' well. I figured the worst that could happen is the store security would want to talk with me and I could have a lot of explaining to do. I am very capable of explaining myself.

The dress was a perfect fit but unfortunately needed a little repair work. That was the reason for the really low price. If I had sewing skills, I would have purchased the dress. It was a good deal and quite attractive but I had to pass it up. I left the women's fitting rooms with no one suspecting anything amiss. The truth is, there was nothing amiss because by law in my state I am permitted to use gender-appropriate facilities. This is specifically spelled out for transgender individuals.

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:19 am
by Mac (imported)
Danya (imported) wrote: Tue May 20, 2008 10:21 am Hi Mac,

Things went very well. I woke up well rested and calm. The only anxiety I had was just a momentary twinge on pulling into the office parking garage.

.....................
Danya (imported) wrote: Tue May 20, 2008 10:21 am Tomorrow, we're having a lunch for GLBT employees and one of the women is baking a cake to celebrate my transition. Really cool! Someone on the group's mailing list also suggested a pot luck in my honor. Not that there's any reason for them to honor me, but it just shows what great people I work with.

Tomorrow evening I'll go out for dinner and drinks with a number of women from work. Life is very good!

-Danya
What a great way to begin that chapter in your life. You are well on your way to experiencing a beautiful life. I am happy for you (and envious).

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:04 am
by EricaAnn (imported)
Dear Danya,

I'm so happy that everything went so well for you yesterday, but don't be surprised by the reaction of a lot of people that treated you just the same as before. Many people don't quite know how to react in these types of situations and besides...that's the way it should be. A professional relationship. :)

Good luck today. It sounds like everything is going to be just fine. :)

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:39 am
by kristoff
Knowing both you and your employer, I would have expected nothing less than a fantastic day the first. Day two and onward is where the telling times occur. Again, I suspect things will be fine. In and out of work there will always be good and bad times. that is life. You are on an odyssey of discovery and are making up for past times. Enjoy them. Congratulations!

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:31 am
by Danya (imported)
EricaAnn (imported) wrote: Wed May 21, 2008 1:04 am Dear Danya,

I'm so happy that everything went so well for you yesterday, but don't be surprised by the reaction of a lot of people that treated you just the same as before. Many people don't quite know how to react in these types of situations and besides...that's the way it should be. A professional relationship. :)

Good luck today. It sounds like everything is going to be just fine. :)

Dear Erica Ann,

Thanks again for your good wishes and support. I'm finding that I can handle anyone's reaction well. I was waiting in line with a gay friend today at Subway when someone behind me said "excuse me sir". I was dressed in a black top and black slacks and certainly from the back, at least, could have been mistaken for a man. This didn't bother me in the slightest. I moved out of the way and as the woman passed in front of me she apologized and said something like 'miss'.

At Caribou Coffee, which is one of my favorite morning haunts, one of the workers recognized the old me behind everything. Her only comment was "I see you're ordering something different today". I didn't mind at all.

OTOH, last week I stopped to say hello to the jeweler I have done business with. He has always recognized me. I was still in male clothing then and he remembered that May 19 was my big day. I stopped to say 'hi' today and it was clear he didn't have a clue who I was until I gave him some hints.

Then there was one of the cleaning people who stops by my desk every day around five to empty the waste basket. I normally greet him and we exchange a few words. Today was his first time seeing me as Danya and he had not been notified of the change. I'm not sure he quite got what was going on at first but we still chatted a bit. As I left the building, he asked me the correct pronunciation of my new name.

All of this shows me that most people are willing to be open-minded when they are confronted by someone they know in a new and unexpected, perhaps even startling, fashion. It helps that I am comfortable in who I am.

Hugs,

Danya

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:55 am
by Danya (imported)
kristoff wrote: Wed May 21, 2008 6:39 am Knowing both you and your employer, I would have expected nothing less than a fantastic day the first. Day two and onward is where the telling times occur. Again, I suspect things will be fine. In and out of work there will always be good and bad times. that is life. You are on an odyssey of discovery and are making up for past times. Enjoy them. Congratulations!

Hi Kristoff,

Today went very well. Several people came up to me with questions on transgender folks and what I am experiencing. When management announced my transition, it was made clear that I would welcome questions. I was very comfortable talking about my own situation.

Today was also the first ever GLBT lunch. One of my friends made
Danya (imported) wrote: Tue May 20, 2008 10:21 am a cake to celebrate my transition.
I spoke of the need to have the decades-old employee manual updated to specifically mention transgender rights. I have no problem pursuing this on my own but I said it would be great if the group submitted a joint request to HR. This change probably requires Board approval. I don't anticipate a problem there.

I went out for dinner and drinks with several women from the office and had a wonderful time. I was openly questioned on TG-related topics and was glad to provide information. Most of our time together was spent talking about other interesting stuff! :D

Right now, I'm emotionally exhausted from the very good happenings of the last two days. On the one hand, I very much want things to get back to a more normal routine and today was more 'normal' than yesterday. For a while already, I've been feeling like I may want to become an advocate or spokesperson for GLBT rights and understanding. I feel even more that way now but I need to let my life return to a more normal routine before I make any decisions about that. Besides, it's not immediately clear to me what path I might want to take to accomplish this goal. Perhaps it's best for now to simply be in the moment and enjoy this time without adding extra activities.

I completely agree with you, there will be good days and bad days. You are right on, too, with your comment that this is an odyssey of discovery and I am making up for past times. This time is just the beginning of an adventure. Every adventure has rough moments.

Your encouragement and input mean a lot to me, Kristoff.

Many thanks for being there.

-Danya

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:19 pm
by plix (imported)
I am very glad to hear that your big day went well. I knew it would :)

I think people treating you the same as always is not only OK, but is the best way the day could have gone. If people had suddenly treated me differently, I would have been very concerned and likely believed they were uncomfortable with what I was doing. Treating you the same shows that what you are doing does not matter to them - you are the same important person to them regardless :)

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 2:56 pm
by Danya (imported)
plix (imported) wrote: Wed May 21, 2008 1:19 pm I am very glad to hear that your big day went well. I knew it would :)

I think people treating you the same as always is not only OK, but is the best way the day could have gone. If people had suddenly treated me differently, I would have been very concerned and likely believed they were uncomfortable with what I was doing. Treating you the same shows that what you are doing does not matter to them - you are the same important person to them regardless :)

Hi plix!

Thank you for writing and as always, it's good to hear from you. I appreciate your very kind and pertinent observations.

Hugs,

Danya

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:04 pm
by Danya (imported)
Today's mail included the 'bathroom' letter from my therapist that included the line "...she should be afforded all the rights of a female and be considered and treated as a female in every respect."

Now I need to rest after two very good days. Even good, happy days can be stressful :) I'm really glad I don't have any plans for tomorrow night, my first free night this week. Wednesday all I want is to do my job and then come home. I need to exercise and relax. I'm too wound up right now (hence the late hour of this post) from all of the very good things that have been happening.

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:06 pm
by Danya (imported)
Work has gotten back to a normal routine after the excitement of Monday and Tuesday. There are still some surprises. A quiet, always very professional man from another country sits near me. He's typically all business and it's not unusual that we wouldn't speak for several days at a time. Today he was very gentle and kind as he told me how he had investigated a lot of the transgender information from a site I had provided and had learned a lot. This URL had been included in the company-wide announcement of my transition. We spoke for a few minutes and he had a some questions. It was very clear to me that he at least partially understands. He was also letting me know in his usual low-key style that he is fine with me. I have always thought highly of this man but really didn't expect he would ever begin to understand what it is like to be transgender. I knew he would continue to treat me with respect. The fact that he made an effort to understand and told me about what he had read left a powerful impression on me.

While today's work routine was back to normal, I continue to feel happy and people keep commenting on it.

I saw my new gender therapist this afternoon for the third time and we had a very good conversation. She told me how good it is to hear such a success story as mine. I know how truly fortunate I am. She also now understands, finally, that I do not need a support group.

After work I went out for drinks with a woman consultant helping us with a software implementation. I have known her since early January and had told her I am transgender back in late February. She commented on how I have blossomed over the time she has known me. We had a fun and relaxing hour together, mostly talking about girl stuff.

Sometime in the last half of June I will hold the delayed celebration, at my home, of my May 19 rebirth. My consultant friend is going to remain here over that weekend so she can attend. Normally, she flies home each Thursday evening and returns here late Sunday. She did make me promise to entertain her the rest of that weekend! :)

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:39 pm
by Danya (imported)
kristoff wrote: Wed May 21, 2008 6:39 am Knowing both you and your employer, I would have expected nothing less than a fantastic day the first. Day two and onward is where the telling times occur. Again, I suspect things will be fine. In and out of work there will always be good and bad times. that is life. You are on an odyssey of discovery and are making up for past times. Enjoy them. Congratulations!

The entire work week went well and I was glad when things settled back into a normal routine.

My friend Kristoff was correct, though, when he said there will always be good and bad times. I was feeling down much of the weekend (through Sunday afternoon) but I'm feeling better now. The reason I was in a low mood is not directly related to my transition at all.

It was past time that I took a close look at my financial situation and I did that Friday night. What I saw left me feeling really unhappy. I'm starting to feel much better because I've come up with an action plan to get my money situation headed back in the right direction. Another Archive friend, Tugon, has expressed some concern about my finances and I am pleased to let him know that I am taking action. Although technically, by online calculators, my debts are still manageable they don't feel that way to me so I do indeed need to do something.

I realize now that, while I certainly need to take action on my finances, I probably wouldn't have gotten nearly so down about this if the work week hadn't gone so spectacularly. The contrast between being elated at how well everything went at work and then getting a sobering look at finances was really stark. Oh well, such is life. I can and will make the money situation better.

As part of my new fiscal conservatism :), I will either not hold a celebration party of my new birthday as Danya or ask some friends who come to bring much of the snacks and other goodies. I've had a number of dinner parties for my friends where I provided everything and they don't have the time to do the same nearly as often. The whole idea is simply for many of my friends and acquaintances who have been so supportive to get together and have some fun.

Kristoff's brief message is so true and when I first read it, I knew he was correct. It was still good to 'hear' and his words served me well this weekend. I am feeling really calm tonight.

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:47 am
by Danya (imported)
I'm posting this in part because there's still much ambiguity involved in the very tentative outreach of my Texas relatives to my new self. So I am in a kind of limbo with them that could go on for years with no genuine acceptance of me. Yet there would still always be the hope that someday they will get things right. Despite my sister-in-law's terse response six weeks ago that she needed more time to write a sensitive letter, I have heard nothing more. I have had no response at all from her husband, my youngest brother.

I have written a lot to them, although not since their last tepid email, giving them many details of my new life. By 'their last tepid email' I'm referring to my sister-in-law directly and inferring that my brother agrees. I have also explained to them that I know this can be hard for families and I gave them resource information to help them. Some time ago, I wrote in a blog post that 'I Want to Abandon My Family'. Now I feel more that I really don't want to abandon them but I now understand more fully how some families react to a transitioning relative. That reaction indeed may never change at all and it's no one's fault. It is simply the nature of humans beings.

The healthy thing for me to do is to start letting go of them. Some trans folks have waited and tried for years to gain acceptance that wasn't clearly there, in some form, from the beginning. In some of the stories I've read, there are ambiguous hints at acceptance, as in my case. My Texas brother, who has said several times over the years that I raised him, has not spoken to me or written me directly about my transitioning. It's been about 3 1/2 months since I first told them I am transgender. The simple fact is my life is moving on and it's moving on without them. To get on with my new life, I need to "grieve, let go and never look back" as Lynn says in the quoted text below. My Texas family needs to do the same.

In my last email to my Texas relatives about seven weeks ago, I explicitly gave them permission to let go of me. I stated that I knew one or more of them were likely having difficulties accepting what is happening in my life. The one thing I wanted them to know was that 'I am very happy' and whether they ever accept me or not I could handle it and they need not worry about me.

My visit with my West Coast brother a while back was painful because he rejected me totally. I indicated to him that if things ever changed in his thinking, I'd be open to hearing from him. The reality is, his complete repudiation of who I am ended up being very useful for me. I clearly know how he feels so it has been easy to let go of him. In his case, there was never much closeness so my grief was minimal.

My life is certainly changing, I am gaining new friends and in a very real sense a new family that loves me very much exactly for the woman I am. I am fortunate to have so many supporting people in my life, both online and off.

What I'm pasting in here is part of a long essay by Lynn Conway on her own experience with family being unable to deal with her transition. While I am technically 'pre-op', it's very clear that Lynn's comments apply to my situation as well as to her own 'post-op' status. The thing that impresses me is that she in no way blames her family for their lack of acceptance. She gets it, as I do, but it took her many years to reach the healthy point of letting go. Of course, she was much younger than me when she transitioned. I have no intention of allowing myself to be held back with false hopes of clear acceptance. The website URL is
Danya (imported) wrote: Tue May 06, 2008 10:13 pm : http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/
TS/TS-IIIcde.html and the quoted text is from section IIIC. I highlighted the text in red. The blue text is a comment I added.

>>>However, TS women must remember it's not their fault that such things happen, nor is it their family members' fault. Instead, these rejections are caused by deep aspects of human nature being acted out under extremely trying circumstances. What we witness is an almost animal-level reaction to something that seems incomprehensible to close family members.

The more successful that a TS woman is in her transition, the more superstitiously emotional and profoundly shocked a reaction she may get from her family. This should not be surprising, being a natural reaction to witnessing one human being disappear forever and a completely different one replace them.

Try to put yourself in their shoes. Think how you would feel if a beloved son or brother of father transitioned. It's a terrible quandary for family members, especially if they didn't have a clue this was coming. Some family members may try hard to still "see the boy" in the transitioner and cling to the past, and thus alienate the new girl. Others will suddenly "don't know this new person who seems to have killed the boy", feel grief at the loss of their loved one, and feel great anger at the "stranger" (the transitioner) for making this all happen.

I've seen many women struggle for years in hopeless efforts to "gain acceptance" of parents and siblings who either can never regender them as women - or else can't get over the loss of the male family member. Trying to gain acceptance of such family members is like trying to make real an unrequited love. It just won't happen, and can only make the love-sick person feel even sicker inside. For some of these women, their failure to gain family acceptance causes a deep lingering sadness that hurts their chance for happiness after transition. At the same times, these families grieve for the one they lost, and this grief is resurfaced every time the see the "replacement". In such cases it would be much better to "let go", grieve, move on and never look back. Otherwise the newly transitioned woman will carry a heavy burden for years, and that burden will interfere with her efforts at building self-esteem and assimilating.

I myself fell into the trap of struggling for years to "gain acceptance" by a family member I loved. During the sometimes lonely years of my early transition, I visited my younger brother and his wife and two boys at least once a year. Sometimes it would be for Thanksgiving or Christmas, other times it would be to go on camping or canoe trips. We never talked about what had happened to me. They were very "nice" to me. I assumed they were gradually seeing me as I now was. The visits were usually fun events, even though usually a bit stiff. This went on for over thirty years, seeing them once a year or so, even though there were telltale signs that things weren't right. For example, they spent three weeks each summer at a vacation home in the Finger Lakes area of New York, along with many of my brother's wife's family members. They always raved about how cool a place it was, yet never asked me to visit there - not even once in thirty years. I already knew I was never invited to the summer place to avoid other family members "seeing me". And on and on it went, one tell after another. I just tried to push these tells out of my mind. After all, they were being nice.

Finally in 2000, just as my story was coming out, I visited my brother again. We'd planned to talk about my past, so he'd have a current perspective on the TS condition and treatments, and be better able to interact with the journalist doing the story. Upon arriving, I was shocked to learn that he hadn't read anything I'd sent him. He "didn't really want to talk about it", and instead had gone planned an "outing". All of a sudden everything became clear. I could now see all the obvious "tells" I wouldn't let myself think about before, all the tells that he still saw me as the "big brother" he'd so looked up to years ago. To him I was now his big brother who had had a sex change, whatever that was. To him I was still a guy, and when I tried to talk to him about what had happened to me, it just resurfaced grief that he'd never gotten over.

I wasted a lot of energy over years of trying to gain the "acceptance" of my brother and his wife. They were the only family I had, so it seemed important to maintain that connection. I'd felt a lot of emotion about our relationship during those years, a feeling that they were "there for me" and the I was "there for them". When I realized that they didn't even know me, all emotion evaporated. I felt no loss. I felt nothing except a feeling of stupidity for trying to "gain the acceptance" of people who out of fear, shame and ignorance wouldn't make an effort to get to know me. I let it go. They are now strangers to me, whom I won't see again.

I've heard such stories of non-acceptance repeated over, over and over again by other postop women. Stories of loved ones who can't "see us" as who we are now. Some still see and refuse to let go of the old person, hurting us to the very core of our souls. Others suddenly do see the new person, but don't have a clue how to get to know her - and resent her for killing off their loved one. Either way, the longer we try to "gain acceptance" and grasp for a loving connection with someone like that, the more we give them power to hurt us, and hurt us they will. And they too are hurt by the situation. If you're in one of these situations, it's best to just let it go.

One useful mental trick that can help us deal with the strange and quirky things that happen to us is to remember that "it's all data". One can cope with family rejection and other difficult realities of postop life by simply observing these things unemotionally, "taking notes", and realizing that you are an observer of very interesting ethnographic data [Note by Danya: This sounds decidedly anthropological to me :-)] about transsexualism and how people react to gender changes. The behaviors you observe are natural reactions to events that seem mystical and inexplicable to most people. Since no one "is to blame" for these reactions, this helps take some of the sting out of things. It can also help you "let go", and not try to regain the love of people who are now lost to you, and instead look forward to bringing new people into your life.

There are exceptions to this old rule of "loss of family". As people become more knowledgeable about gender transitions and less fearful of "what the neighbors might think", some families ARE now able to get to know and "regender" a family member after her transition, especially those who transition while young. It is much easier to regender a girl who transitions when she is young, because there are fewer memories of her as a post-pubertal boy, and fewer forward-projections of her future as a "man".

There is some very important lessons for families here: Families have great difficulty in regendering a close family member who transitions as an adult. It is just a fact of human nature and of the way our minds work, of how we remember someone's gendered past and project ahead their gendered future. Therefore, if at all possible families should strongly support a TS girl's early transition. This way they are much more likely to end up having a daughter, and knowing that daughter, after her transition. In cases where a close family member transitions as an adult, it's best to be very honest and forthright with them, and tell them if you are having difficulties seeing them in their new gender. That way you give them the option of moving on, and not being hurt year after year trying to hold onto a connection that is not meant to be.<<<<

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:36 am
by kristoff
Post #121.

Thanks, Danya. The author you quote seems to be very astute in her perceptions, thoughts, and conclusions. You do well yourself in your own explorations. I admire your ability to sort through the wheat and chaff, seemingly so much more effortlessly than most who take the same path - many crawl this path, others amble; you seem to sprint. What I find interesting is the approach in letting go after the failure of "regendering" in the mind's eye of the person you are dealing with. So much of that same approach is valuable in other areas of life, and ought be remembered by many. It would save much pain - life would need less Bactine, and have more joy.

Again, thanks.

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:59 am
by Danya (imported)
kristoff wrote: Tue May 27, 2008 9:36 am Post #121.

Thanks, Danya. The author you quote seems to be very astute in her perceptions, thoughts, and conclusions. You do well yourself in your own explorations. I admire your ability to sort through the wheat and chaff, seemingly so much more effortlessly than most who take the same path - many crawl this path, others amble; you seem to sprint. What I find interesting is the approach in letting go after the failure of "regendering" in the mind's eye of the person you are dealing with. So much of that same approach is valuable in other areas of life, and ought be remembered by many. It would save much pain - life would need less Bactine, and have more joy.

Again, thanks.

Hello Kristoff :)

It means a lot to me that you so clearly understand what I am getting at in 'post #121' and I appreciate your kind remarks. Of course, there are times of questioning and even some doubts along the way. Not doubts about transitioning but questions about the ultimate cost. There are losses inherent in any major life change. By honestly examining my feelings, though, I am able to find a path to where I need to be.

-Danya

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:36 am
by Danya (imported)
This afternoon, I had my first appointment with a physician who has extensive experience prescribing hormones, and monitoring their effects, for members of the trans community. She used only her first name to introduce herself (none of this 'I'm Dr. so and so') which immediately earned her extra credit in my book! :-) This woman was one of the kindest doctors I have ever met. We spent 40 minutes simply talking about my life. It was obvious she really cared.

She wants to get some blood work done, since I was last checked nearly three months ago. I'll take care of that tomorrow morning. Next Friday, she'll do a physical. If everything turns out fine, as it always has, she will start me on a low dose of estrogen then. This is exactly the way I wanted to start out.

She had hoped to schedule me for the last appointment next Friday, so we could have all the time we wanted to talk. :) That one was already taken.

Hormones are powerful medicine and the long-term effects of HRT are not well understood. I have a number of questions I will ask the doctor next week to be sure I am comfortable with the way everything is being handled.

The week has been going very well. The only problem, versus my male days, is I have to get up much earlier to make myself presentable for the office. 😄 This morning I tried on four combinations of tops and slacks before I was sure what I wanted to wear. Then there's the makeup and other things.

I've posted elsewhere that, as a man, I never liked jeans. Now I find I love them! There's no explaining some of this 😄

Re: Transitioning at work and in all of my life

Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:08 pm
by Danya (imported)
I could always type reasonably well. Over the last several weeks, though, my typing speed has skyrocketed. Well, perhaps it hasn't been quite that dramatic, but close! 😄

This is really interesting and I don't have an answer for why this should be so but it is obvious. It used to be that professionals recommended that transitioning woman switch out of typically male careers like engineering into what were then typical female careers like secretarial work. I have no intention of being a secretary, unless it's something like Secretary of the Treasury!

The fact remains that my typing speed is now much faster than only a short time ago. I actually know why, at least in part. Now I keep all of my fingers lightly brushing the keys. This is to keep from damaging my nail polish and my increased rate of typing is merely a side effect of that effort. 😄 As a man, I tended to pound away at the keys and this slowed up everything.