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Posted: **Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:07 pm**

This is an interesting study and I would love to see where its results lead. Hopefully it will allow those of us who are either currently eunuchs or seeking to become eunuchs to explore our motivations and desires in a more healthy and understanding environment. while this community is one of the most insightful I have come across it could be helpful to receive an outside perspective.

Posted: **Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:32 pm**

I took the survey and now understand the "why" things were done for the survey.

Being a eunuch is more spiritual than sexual for me, so it was easy to rate the sexual parts of the survey lower given the scale range.

I believe it is important to gather information from we eunuchs to better understand and serve our community, so I encourage others to participate in this surveey and other surveys too.

sexualitylab (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:39 am This is Kevin Hsu, the PhD student conducting the research survey of eunuchs and eunuch wannabes that was graciously posted in this thread. First, I want to thank every person who has taken the survey so far. I know that it is not a short or easy survey and that not all of the questions (perhaps any) apply to your individual experiences. And so I really, really appreciate your time and help.

I would like to respond to some of the comments in this thread, because I think it is important that researchers be open and receptive to feedback and criticism. I also think it is important that they be transparent with participants, so I want to do my best to show that I take seriously both the positive takeaways and the concerns that have been raised.

tugon, daifu-orchid, and IncestCirc - thank you for participating and for finding the survey to be enlightening and potentially helpful for understanding the eunuch community among medical professionals, the greater public, etc.

Freddyjack, Oyktiro1, Ernie of Maine - thank you for your feedback. Yes, I understand that castration or being castrated is not sexual for everyone. I am sorry to hear that it felt that the survey assumed this. That was not my intention. I think it is extremely important that I do have responses from persons like yourselves, who do not find castration or being castrated to be sexual. I think we want to know whether any sexual aspects of being a eunuch or eunuch wannabe are related to aspects of identity and personality, and we want to have a wide range of individuals with differing feelings (for example, from those who do not find it sexual at all, to those who find it extremely sexual). There is a lot of diversity in sexuality, including among the eunuch/eunuch wannabe community. I would like to capture that diversity in my survey results, so I hope that you will consider completing the survey even if it means putting "0" or "no" to many questions about your sexual interests related to castration or being castrated.

shydudexx - I'm sorry if some of the instructions were not clear. You are able, as IncestCirc and fhunter pointed out, to put 0 for those slider questions. You just click on the slider, and it will drop onto wherever you want. I also want to point out that I ask about sexual interests that some may find objectionable simply for comparison. I do not assume that everyone has such interests. But I would like to assess a broader range of interests than what most surveys of sexuality typically ask. Our lab asks the same questions of other populations that have been understudied or misunderstood with respect to their sexuality, which I will address next.

Zebedee - I apologize about the title. I am also studying another population/community - adult baby/diaper lovers - as part of my dissertation. I am studying them separately, without any assumption that they may be similar except in the fact that both involve online communities. The reason they are together in the same title is because both involve surveys, and I submitted the proposal for both together as one "project" to our ethics review board (IRB) to expedite the review process. It is required that we use the title of the project submitted to the IRB. You are seeing an entirely different survey than the one that the adult/baby diaper community will see. Again, I'm sorry for the confusion.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:00 am**

It was a Interesting survey to take! Hopefully we will be able to view the results when they come back.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:11 am**

I did find the survey interesting. it made me think a lot about my own behavior and where I am going with it.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:32 am**

The Education of Kevin Hsu

JesusA wrote: Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:42 pm It is important that there be

some new, young academic who will devote time and energy to research and writing about the voluntary eunuch community. A lot has been accomplished in the past few years, but there is still much more that needs to be done.

At 75, I'm beginning to wind down my own research and writing. I lost my entire set of books and notes in the Wine Country Fire. I will need to start over from scratch for any documentation toward more publications. The outline, notes, and all reference materials for the book that I had promised are now part of a large ash heap and I don't have enough years left to recreate them. (My library had over 6000 volumes and I'm now up to about two dozen.)

Kevin is young, bright, and enthusiastic. He is planning to devote his career to research and writing about sex and gender issues. The survey is his first attempt to understand the eunuch community and a number of you have pointed out flaws that he needs to be aware of. It's a learning experience for him and all of your responses to his survey will help to guide his future work. We want him to continue to consider eunuchs as part of his field of interest.

Answer honestly and you will help Kevin to focus better on what is most important. You want to help him to understand what needs to be done next.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:43 pm**

The Education of Kevin Hsu

JesusA wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:32 am 20]
It is important that there be

some new, young academic who will devote time and energy to research and writing about the voluntary eunuch community. A lot has been accomplished in the past few years, but there is still much more that needs to be done.

At 75, I'm beginning to wind down my own research and writing. I lost my entire set of books and notes in the Wine Country Fire. I will need to start over from scratch for any documentation toward more publications. The outline, notes, and all reference materials for the book that I had promised are now part of a large ash heap and I don't have enough years left to recreate them. (My library had over 6000 volumes and I'm now up to about two dozen.)

Kevin is young, bright, and enthusiastic. He is planning to devote his career to research and writing about sex and gender issues. The survey is his first attempt to understand the eunuch community and a number of you have pointed out flaws that he needs to be aware of. It's a learning experience for him and all of your responses to his survey will help to guide his future work. We want him to continue to consider eunuchs as part of his field of interest.

Answer honestly and you will help Kevin to focus better on what is most important. You want to help hi
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m to understand what needs to be done next.

With Jesus indorsement I now understand he is new and well get better we hope.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:25 pm**

The Education of Kevin Hsu

JesusA wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:43 pm
JesusA wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:32 am 20]
It is important that there be
some new, young academic who will devote time and energy to research and writing about the voluntary eunuch community. A lot has been accomplished in the past few years, but there is still much more that needs to be done.

At 75, I'm beginning to wind down my own research and writing. I lost my entire set of books and notes in the Wine Country Fire. I will need to start over from scratch for any documentation toward more publications. The outline, notes, and all reference materials for the book that I had promised are now part of a large ash heap and I don't have enough years left to recreate them. (My library had over 6000 volumes and I'm now up to about two dozen.)

Kevin is young, bright, and enthusiastic. He is planning to devote his career to research and writing about sex and gender issues. The survey is his first attempt to understand the eunuch community and a number of you have pointed out flaws that he needs to be aware of. It's a learning experience for him and all of your responses to his survey will help to guide his future work. We want him to continue to consider eunuchs as part of his field of interest.

Answer honestly and you will help Kevin to focus better on what is mos

t important. You want to help hi
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m to understand what needs to be done next.

Okay, point taken. I'll have another look at it later in the week, when I'm in the right mood.

It may be a knee jerk reaction, but it felt like something which is for me at least an issue of gender identity, is being treated as a fetish or masturbatory fantasy. Some of the questions about sexual attraction turned my stomach and I found myself closing the page in disgust, feeling a little upset at having been asked.

But I guess that any data collected is useful (even if it is mostly zeros), and I should stop being such a prissy snowflake and see if I can provide Kevin with some potentially useful information..!

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:25 pm**

I was happy to take the survey. Sure, there were questions that didn't apply to me, but I didn't get my panties bunched because the Kevin didn't ask the questions I wanted to answer!

The only criticism I have was the frequent need to provide a dissertation. I had neither the time or the inclination for that, so my answers ended up quite terse. I'm not certain how useful such narrative answers are going to be from a statistical point of view, either. If the results Kevin gets aren't meaningful, then I'm sure he'll learn from that, which will help him construct better surveys in the future.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:20 pm**

minuteman (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:25 pm Sure, there were questions that didn't apply to me, but I didn't get my panties bunched because the Kevin didn't ask the questions I wanted to answer!

I'm blaming my hormones!!

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:51 am**

Thank you for the very kind and thoughtful words, Jesus. And thank you also for the many years you have devoted to studying eunuchs and eunuch wannabes, important work that has taught us a lot and helped pave the way to the work I am doing now.

I would like to again respond to the criticisms raised in this thread, all of which have been very helpful and appreciated. I am learning a lot from this discussion and hope to continue learning more. Thank you.

First, I want to reiterate that any data on sexual arousal and fantasy will be critically important to the results. Looking at the responses that have come in so far, many have endorsed varying degrees of sexual arousal and fantasy related to castration and being castrated. Many others have not endorsed any sexual arousal or fantasy. Having the responses from eunuchs and eunuch wannabes who vary across the wide spectrum of sexuality will help with a more clear, accurate understanding of sexuality and identity among this community. We want to collect data from as representative of a sample as we can get (acknowledging the limitation that no sample will truly be representative), and so I believe we would be remiss if this did not include those who do not find castration to be sexual.

Second, I should point out that I am mostly a researcher of sexuality and identity, and not strictly a researcher of

sexualitylab (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:39 am the eunuch/eunuch wannabe community

per se. For that reason, I have focused on aspects of sexuality and identity among eunuchs and eunuch wannabes, because I think there is a lot to learn there. I did not focus on those aspects because I think that eunuchs and eunuch wannabes are all sexually inclined in some way (of course that is an empirical question). If I were a medical researcher, perhaps I would have focused more on hormone use and medical conditions in my questions, although there are a few like that.

Also, to minuteman: I asked a handful of open-ended questions (requiring narrative answers) in hopes of learning more about sexuality and identity among eunuchs and eunuch wannabes without the constraints of a numerical scale. This community, especially with respect to certain aspects of sexuality and identity, has not been well studied, and so having these open-ended responses might lead to some interesting new insights or directions for future research. I think both quantitative and qualitative data are useful.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:18 am**

I didn't see anything of the servey until now, but I'll reply. It will take some time because as a Dutchman, English is a foreign language for me, difficult to read and even more difficult to write.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:44 am**

I also did the survey.

The Education of Kevin Hsu

Zebedeee (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:25 pm
Ernie of Maine (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:43 pm
JesusA wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:32 am At 75, I'm beginning to wind down my own research and writing. I lost my entire set of books and notes in the Wine Country Fire. I will need to start over from scratch for any documentation toward more publications. The outline, notes, and all reference materials for the book that I had promised are now part of a large ash heap and I don't have enough years left to
recreate them. (My library had over 6000 volumes and
I'm now up to about two dozen.)

That is very sad to hear.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:40 am**

Paolo wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:31 am Now that I have time, I find that the server isn't responding. I can only view the first page, the introduction.

I will try again later.

As far as the title of the survey, when translated from the strange language of "Academia", my guess is that the survey is/was going to be used for two different groups, and that sliding a bar back to zero would indicate "N/A" for "not applicable".

I just tried to do the survey and had the same problem.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:34 am**

Knowing he's new gives some perspective.

On a friendlier note, if he's to continue engaging us, at least those of us who are real, he needs to start off with the mechanics of this, not the sexual aspects and fantasy questions. Those can have a place later. I was frustrated because a person saying they are a researcher came in, and started asking us all sorts of sex questions in that survey. It felt like an elaborate version of what we've seen here in the past ad nauseam. It felt more like he was looking for wanking material than actual research.

Unfortunately there was no going into how we got to where we are, and when the survey was notified we were already post-op, it kept asking us questions which were irrelevant. The survey design was very poor, given abilities of modern technology. I found about 90% of what I was asked was either inappropriate or irrelevant. I felt a bit objectified by it.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:02 am**

Freddyjack (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:32 am I took the survey and found the questions didn't lead towards any of my feelings, it seamed to come back to fetish without taking into consideration that some of us are not transwomen or dont want some sexual gratification from being castrated, I mean it can only happen once and its the result that's desired, by me, not the action, hell I'm good with a general and would be happy going to sleep and waking up with it done, put me in bed and i'll be happy to sleep the rest of the day,night and the next day.

We read the same survey and reached virtually the same conclusions. When asked to consider what it might be like to play the role of a castrated man, I had an easy answer: "I played the role of a castrated man on the day I was castrated. Reviews from my Urological Surgeon, his team and the Anaesthesiologist were generally positive although one did say I should have strung out goin to sleep a bit longer to add a piquancy of perhaps Alarm?" Like you, I came away with the eerie feeling that what I was contributing to was the potential of a group of grad students to get off their intellectual jollies by implying answers from horribly written questions. Nice to find another like minded person sitting on the side of the road spitting water melon seeds to see if we can lob more than one across the 5 without getting slobber on someone's wind screen.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:05 am**

daifu-orchid (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:19 pm Put the sliders where you want.

The title, the assumptions in the questions.... Yes, we need more questionnaires like this if only to show the questioners that life is maybe not as supposed.

Scientifically, best to observe, suppose, test, change what is supposed.

It is human nature to skip the first and maybe most difficult step. This is a youngster on his first outing, trying to understand the eunuch zoo. Maybe cut him some slack?

Should be his last outing until...a group of those he wishes to study makes it easier for him by allowing him to contribute to a Mountain Oyster feed. This was a wretched, poorly drawn rag that Northwestern should have never allowed to find any public participation.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:35 am**

To Kevin Hsu, Professional Student, probably. Know what Dicto Simpliciter Fallacy is?. You should, your idiotic survey is awash with them. You, one assumes, already had a proved thesis point in your mind and set out to collect data to support that. Your sample will be far too small and you have no way of proving the validity of the answers. Again, I'm guessing but there desperately needs to be a double blind component here to give you any hope of even crawling under the table called, "maybe he's sorta close". You have know understanding of masculinity which is basic to delineating between a castrate and a Eunuch which you cheerfully lump together. I took it, every stupid word of it. I answered it as honestly as possible at least until you boxed the respondent in to either giving an answer in which they did not believe or no answer at all. For one whole page you ask what is presumably a sexually complete male to answer imaginary questions with no thought that the group you are trying to reach has no interest in being "sexually complete male". Who the hell did you pitch the idea for this crap to? Someone in the Eugenics Department? Know who Yukio Mishima was? You, sir, are the sailor who fell from grace with his intellect. I am a Neurological Surgeon and hold two PhDs, one in Particle Theory and another in applied mathematics.

Your mania for sexual enquiry has allowed you to mask yourself to the fact that it's of very little importance save to persons involved in whatever it may be on a one on one basis. Yes, I know there are communities of Furrbes, Youbees, Babybees and God knows what else. But what you've done is lop all them together and tried to see them as valid, substantial groups holding the same pan personal importance as the Red Cross or any organized religion. My God, child, go wash your mind out with simple, human ideas and quit intellectually jerking off for your own pleasure. By the way, I was castrated many years ago and found your format and thrust of questioning, not to mention the framing of questions ludicrous. When you read the surveys, I'm the one who responded to your question asking how it might feel to "play the part of a castrated man" and answered that I could as I had played that role on the day I was castrated.

Petr-Johan von Weillig, MD, PhD

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:53 am**

OK, all academic cat fights, taken to PM/email please. Thank you.

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm**

Paolo wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:53 am OK, all academic cat fights, taken to PM/email please. Thank you.

Sorry, Sir, but this boat got pushed out and now you want to go splashing in the surf to try and either do damage control or sink the ship. I'm sure you have at your fingertips the way into the ether to cloture all future discussion but....Sir, that's not necessarily wise. This alleged student has posed a frontal attack on all men whom, one feels, he finds to be different by design and will now put us under his cracked microscope to see what he can see; Let's just all send him our favourite porn site and that should divert him for several years. I will not be examined, even voluntarily, by some young persons who believes he's found a hot topic, one that will garner readers based on the title alone. And about that title. He says it's aimed at Eunuchs but doesn't seem to understand that everyman who may have diddled himself surgically down there is in their minds, a Eunuch. I was completely castrated, even threw in the scrotum as a door prize but I don not consider myself a Eunuch nor does my Urological Surgeon who performed the procedure. In my view, I am a male who has had himself castrated for whatever ever reasons. Young Kevin needs to have a far better grasp on defined terms before he brashly and insultingly writes up this ludicrous "survey". As I said else where, who approved this? The Department of Eugenics?

So, sir, don't pat me on the head and tell me to go back in my hole and move on. I'm too involved with Academia to let this sort of codwallops slip by to the diminution and disgrace of men who have had alterations to themselves done. IF we follow him, we then need to toss in all the men who have had to have surgical alterations for very threatening reasons. Until I was bagged by MS I was a Micro Neurosurgeon who spent hours over a table trying to save men who through no fault of their own were on the happy trail to being simply castrated or nullified. What I did to and for myself voluntarily, I was trying like hell to prevent for them. Very few successes but there were some. Kev, if I may be so personal, forgets there are thousands of men who fall in this category and have waked to find they're no longer a MAN. (Think of Ronald Reagan in "Kings Row".) While, Sir, you are out there in the surf and the spume trying to right the craft called correct scientific enquiry, watch it, there are sharks...

Thank You, Sir, for you unfailing patience for dealing with yahoos, or me.

PJ

Posted: **Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:22 pm**

Peter47-NL (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:18 am I didn't see anything of the servey until now, but I'll reply. It will take some time because as a Dutchman, English is a foreign language for me, difficult to read and even more difficult to write.

it took a lot of time, more than I expected, but I'm glad I did it.

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:59 am**

Sorry if I sounded like I was so negative about the survey. I was fine with answering all zeros until the arousal question with age groups from "infant" to "17 and older" seemed to be an intentional entrapment answer. Why not a legal age "18 and older" as everyone else in the world would write it? In order for me to give an answer, as I prefer "40 and older", I had to give a partially true answer of "17 and older" making me sound like a pedophile. The partial data from the few that will actually finish seems to be designed to give the results that all eunuchs and wannabes are pedophile, transsexual, exhibitionist perverts that are a danger to themselves and the public. :-\ Ok, maybe not that extreme but seriously, "17 and over"? Why did the 17 (underage) group get added to the legal ages?

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:18 am**

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm Sorry, Sir, but this boat got pushed out and now you want to go splashing in the surf to try and either do damage control or sink the ship. I'm sure you have at your fingertips the way into the ether to cloture all future discussion but....Sir, that's not necessarily wise.

That's what the Admin's do. And no, I'm not going to arbitrarily close the thread, just because it's getting so many comments about this survey.

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm This alleged student has posed a frontal attack on all men whom, one feels, he finds to be different by design and will now put us under his cracked microscope to see what he can see; Let's just all send him our favourite porn site and that should divert him for several years. I will not be examined, even voluntarily, by some young persons who believes he's found a hot topic, one that will garner readers based on the title alone. And about that title. He says it's aimed at Eunuchs but doesn't seem to understand that everyman who may have diddled himself surgically down there is in their minds, a Eunuch.

Let's hold off on that until our Surveyor responds with what his intentions are, other than an academic study.

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm I was completely castrated, even threw in the scrotum as a door prize but I do not consider myself a Eunuch nor does my Urological Surgeon who performed the procedure. In my view, I am a male who has had himself castrated for whatever ever reasons.

You'll probably need to take that one up with Mirriam-Webster, as far as the defintion.

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm Young Kevin needs to have a far better grasp on defined terms before he brashly and insultingly writes up this ludicrous "survey". As I said else where, who approved this? The Department of Eugenics?

Jesus A. and Richard Wassersug, to the best of my knowledge, and the Staff. If we hadn't approved of this, we'd have pulled the link.

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm So, sir, don't pat me on the head and tell me to go back in my hole and move on.

I'm

not a head-patter, thanks. My actions are almost always more violent.

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm I'm too involved with Academia to let this sort of codwallops slip by to the diminution and disgrace of men who have had alterations to themselves done.

And apparently, one of those Academics who can give dissertation for years on end, without ever teaching anyone anything. A typical case of "I'm right, so fuck everyone else."

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm IF we follow him, we then need to toss in all the men who have had to have surgical alterations for very threatening reasons. Until I was bagged by MS I was a Micro Neurosurgeon who spent hours over a table trying to save men who through no fault of their own were on the happy trail to being simply castrated or nullified. What I did to and for myself voluntarily, I was trying like hell to prevent for them. Very few successes but there were some. Kev, if I may be so personal, forgets there are thousands of men who fall in this category and have waked to find they're no longer a MAN. (Think of Ronald Reagan in "Kings Row".) While, Sir, you are out there in the surf and the spume trying to right the craft called correct scientific enquiry, watch it, there are sharks...

OK, the main thing here that everyone seems to be overlooking is this: we need a younger crop of interested persons involved in this topic. At 5x years of age, I'm the 'baby' here. Without an infusion of younger members, researchers, and even EA Staff, this topic (as well as this site) certainly will have a rapidly approaching expiration date.

As a self-proclaimed Academic, you of all people should realize that not every survey, topic, lecture, presentation, or WHATEVER goes over well with everyone. I am not overly thrilled with the layout and content of this survey. However, as Jesus has already posted, this is an educational experience for Kevin and those involved with him. Far too often, after finishing high school and moving on to University, I encountered professors with the attitude of "You don't belong here. You don't believe what I do. You don't already know the material! I'm perfect. You do everything wrong; you know nothing. Go away." That is not what you're there for. You're there to educate.

If you find fault with this, or any other piece of research, you should point out the flaws and make suggestions to correct and improve the project - instead of just trashing it or making obnoxious comments such as "splashing in the surf."

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm Thank You, Sir, for you unfailing patience for dealing with yahoos, or me.

You're welcome. The thread is still open.

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:19 am**

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm Sorry, Sir, but this boat got pushed out and now you want to go splashing in the surf to try and either do damage control or sink the ship. I'm sure you have at your fingertips the way into the ether to cloture all future discuss
Paolo wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:18 am ion but....Sir, that's not necessarily wise.

That's what the Admin's do. And no, I'm not going to arbitrarily close the thread, just b

ecause it's getting so many comments about this survey.

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm This alleged student has posed a frontal attack on all men whom, one feels, he finds to be different by design and will now put us under his cracked microscope to see what he can see; Let's just all send him our favourite porn site and that should divert him for several years. I will not be examined, even voluntarily, by some young persons who believes he's found a hot topic, one that will garner readers based on the title alone. And about that title. He says it's aimed at Eunuchs but doesn't seem to u
Paolo wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:18 am nderstand that everyman who may have diddled himself surgically down there is in their minds, a Eunuch.

Let's hold off on that until our Surveyor responds with what his intentions are, other than an academic study.

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm I was completely castrated, even threw in the scrotum as a door prize but I do not consid
Paolo wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:18 am er myself a Eunuch nor does my Urological Surgeon who performed the procedure. In my view,
I am a male who has had himself castrated for whatever ever reasons.

You'll probably need to take that one up with Mirriam-Webster, as far as the defintion.

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Paolo wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:18 am me=1520338500]
Young Kevin needs to have a far better grasp on defined terms before he brashly and insultingly writes up this ludicrous

"survey". As I said else where, who approved this? The Department of Eugenics?
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Paolo wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:18 am ]

Jesus A. and Richard Wassersug, to the best of my knowledge, and th

e Staff. If we hadn't approved of this, we'd have pulled the link.

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm So, sir, don't pat me on the head and
Paolo wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:18 am tell me to go back in my hole and move on.

I'm
not a head-patter, thanks. My actions are almost always more violent.

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm I'm
too involved with Academia to let this sort of codwallops slip by to the diminution and disgrace of men who have had alterations to themselves done.

And apparently, one of those Academics who can give dissertation for years on end, without ever teaching anyone anything. A typical case of "I'm right, so fuck everyone else."

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm IF we follow him, we then need to toss in all the men who have had to have surgical alterations for very threatening reasons. Until I was bagged by MS I was a Micro Neurosurgeon who spent hours over a table trying to save men who through no fault of their own were on the happy trail to being simply castrated or nullified. What I did to and for myself voluntarily, I was trying like hell to pr
Paolo wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:18 am event for them. Very few successes but there were some. Kev, if I may be so personal, forgets there are thousands of men who fall in this category and have waked to find they're no longer a MAN. (Think of Ronald Reagan in "Kings Row".) While, Sir, you are out there in the surf and the spume trying to right the craft called correct scientific enquiry, watch it, there are sharks...

OK, the main thing here that everyone seems to be overlooking is this: we need a younger crop of interested persons involved in this topic. At 5x years of age, I'm the 'baby' here. Without an infusion of younger members, researchers, and even EA Staff, this topic (as well as this site) certainly will have a rapidly approaching expiration date.

As a self-proclaimed Academic, you of all people should realize that not every survey, topic, lecture, presentation, or WHATEVER goes over well with everyone. I am not overly thrilled with the layout and content of this survey. However, as Jesus has already posted, this is an educational experience for Kevin and those involved with him. Far too often, after finishing high school and moving on to University, I encountered professors with the attitude of "You don't belong here. You don't believe what I do. You don't al

ready know the material! I'm perfect. You do everything wrong; you know nothing. Go away." That is not what you're there for. You're there to educate.

If you find fault with this, or any other piece of research, you should point out the flaws and make suggestions to correct and improve the project - instead of just trashing it or making obnoxious comments such as "splashing in the surf."

PetJohan (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:15 pm Thank You, Sir, for you unfailing patience for dealing with yahoos, or me.

You're welcome. The thread is still open.

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:12 am**

LeatherPup (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:59 am Why did the 17 (underage) group get added to the legal ages?

Are you aware that age of consent is different all over the world? It is 16/18 here, where I live (consent vs marriage). It is 16-18 over USA, depending on state. It is 14 (I think, check it) in Japan. And so on.

Posted: **Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:13 am**

Paolo asked me to comment further on this thread, but I really don't have much to add to his post. The tiny group of moderators on this site are not getting any younger. Paolo, at 50+, is the baby of the group. Uncle Flo and I are in our 70s. Talula, who has managed the computer end of everything is getting ready to move on to other things. If the Archive is to continue for much longer, we need to bring in some new blood at the moderator level and someone new with computer skills. If we are to continue to see improvement in the way that the professional community (counselors, endocrinologists, surgeons) perceive voluntary eunuchs, we definitely need to educate a new generation of researchers.

Kevin Hsu is potentially a valuable academic research person who needs to be cultivated by providing him with good and valid information so that he's willing to return with his next project. Hopefully, a project well-informed by the data he collects on his first attempt. Provide good data. Provide helpful feedback to move Kevin in a useful direction.

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