Castration by twisting testicles inside sac

[Dana Lane (imported)]

I searched the forums and couldn't find any posts and also didn't think this fit in chemical or surgical castration so I posted here. Feel free to move it if it is in the wrong area.

What are your thoughts about taking the individual testicles and rotating them in say a clockwise (or counter clockwise) direction which should twist the cord and blood vessels into a state that is closed. Would this be the same thing as banding except not destroying the sac as well?

I remember my brother had to go to the doctor once because one of his testicles got twisted and he said it got swollen as big as a grapefruit (may have been exaggerating).

Thoughts?

[kristoff]

What you are describing is essentially a testicular torsion. They sometimes occur spontaneously, and are usually cause for immediate emergency surgery to correct. They are extremely painful.

I searched the forums and couldn't find any posts and also didn't think this fit in chemical or surgical castration so I posted here. Feel free to move it if it is in the wrong area.

What are your thoughts about taking the individual testicles and rotating them in say a clockwise (or counter clockwise) direction which should twist the cord and blood vessels into a state that is closed. Would this be the same thing as banding except not destroying the sac as well?

I remember my brother had to go to the doctor once because one of his testicles got twisted and he said it got swollen as big as a grapefruit (may have been exaggerating).

Thoughts?

[Dana Lane (imported)]

"They are extremely painful"

That is all I needed to hear! thanks

[billf82 (imported)]

I searched the forums and couldn't find any posts and also didn't think this fit in chemical or surgical castration so I posted here. Feel free to move it if it is in the wrong area.

What are your thoughts about taking the individual testicles and rotating them in say a clockwise (or counter clockwise) direction which should twist the cord and blood vessels into a state that is closed. Would this be the same thing as banding except not destroying the sac as well?

I remember my brother had to go to the doctor once because one of his testicles got twisted and he said it got swollen as big as a grapefruit (may have been exaggerating).

Thoughts?

This technique is actually used on animals. The Henderson castration tool is a clamp which has a handle that fits the chuck of an electric drill. Set the clamp, start the drill, ... I believe that the actual use is to run the drill til the cord and connective tissue separate and the testicle comes off.

Bill

[ICarryHerProperty (imported)]

They are extremely painful.

I can attest to that - and with the hospital system the way it is here, the surgery and after care was worse!

[lust4nutlessboiz (imported)]

Somewhere I once saw some info on testicular torsion. I beleive it was a Yahoo! castration group but don't really recall. There was mention there of a device to be chucked in a portable drill for doing cattle and sheep that way.

Maybe someone will happen upon that site someday to verify my lunacy.

Earl

[C van D (imported)]

This technique is actually used on animals. The Henderson castration tool is a clamp which has a handle that fits the chuck of an electric drill. Set the clamp, start the drill, ... I believe that the actual use is to run the drill til the cord and connective tissue separate and the testicle comes off.

Bill

Not long ago if you entered "Castrating Horses" on Google Advanced Search, you would have been able to watch a video showing the procedure described above. Unsure how much it distressed the horses, which, after being gelded in this way, just scrambled to their feet and ambled off.

[bobbie (imported)]

Not long ago if you entered "Castrating Horses" on Google Advanced Search, you would have been able to watch a video showing the procedure described above. Unsure how much it distressed the horses, which, after being gelded in this way, just scrambled to their feet and ambled off.

Yes there is a tool to do as described. There is one thing when doing it to an animal and another thing doing it to a human. The little factor is that you are not an animal. Your sack and balls are far different. Just think how different the skin of a horse is compared to our own. Think you see very difference in thickness. If you take spurs to a horse. You see much pain as compared to a human with the same pressure?

The device turns the sack around and not the individual ball. Try to twist you sack around 2 times and tell me that it dose not hurt. Now turn it a third time. Does it not hurt more. Now turn it a forth time. Bet you can not turn it a full 4 times. Now the device will turn it maybe 20 or more times till it will twist off the sack and balls. That has to hurt big time. Will hurt till all the nerve endings die in time. How long will that take days weeks. I am not a horse.

[jemagirl (imported)]

Is this the technique in question? (http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.co ... K3_qIJxw20)

To me it looks more like a form of torture than it does a medical procedure, but if anyone wants to try it, please dial 911 first..... wait until you can hear the sirens, and then go for it.

But seriously, no don't do it

[Dana Lane (imported)]

Is this the technique in question? (http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.co ... K3_qIJxw20)

To me it looks more like a form of torture than it does a medical procedure, but if anyone wants to try it, please dial 911 first..... wait until you can hear the sirens, and then go for it.

But seriously, no don't do it

ouch, that wasn't quite what i had in mind!

[bobbie (imported)]

ouch, that wasn't quite what i had in mind!

You will find that castration methods used for animals are good for animals and not humans. Clamping, binding, crushing and cutting are all painful. Many can leave an open wound that may invite infection in.

Think of it this way. If a calf dies it is of little loss. There are many more where that one came from. But there is only one of you.

[Dana Lane (imported)]

You will find that castration methods used for animals are good for animals and not humans. Clamping, binding, crushing and cutting are all painful. Many can leave an open wound that may invite infection in.

Think of it this way. If a calf dies it is of little loss. There are many more where that one came from. But there is only one of you.

When I originally posted this I was thinking more of 'gently' turning the testicle until it cut off the supply. I never even imagined some of the things I saw in this post!

I guess the most popular 'do it yourself' is a burdizzo (sp). And that is a bit extreme as far as pain and general method. I was thinking of something a bit more gentle. Say something you would do in a bubble bath. hehe. I know..i know!

[jemagirl (imported)]

When I originally posted this I was thinking more of 'gently' turning the testicle until it cut off the supply. I never even imagined some of the things I saw in this post!

I guess the most popular 'do it yourself' is a burdizzo (sp). And that is a bit extreme as far as pain and general method. I was thinking of something a bit more gentle. Say something you would do in a bubble bath. hehe. I know..i know!

I actually tried the bubble bath method but the little bastards are just too hard to manipulate.

[C van D (imported)]

Yes there is a tool to do as described. There is one thing when doing it to an animal and another thing doing it to a human. The little factor is that you are not an animal. Your sack and balls are far different. Just think how different the skin of a horse is compared to our own. Think you see very difference in thickness. If you take spurs to a horse. You see much pain as compared to a human with the same pressure?

The device turns the sack around and not the individual ball. Try to twist you sack around 2 times and tell me that it dose not hurt. Now turn it a third time. Does it not hurt more. Now turn it a forth time. Bet you can not turn it a full 4 times. Now the device will turn it maybe 20 or more times till it will twist off the sack and balls. That has to hurt big time. Will hurt till all the nerve endings die in time. How long will that take days weeks. I am not a horse.

You can't have watched the video. The rancher (or whatever he was) slit open the colt's scrotum, attached the grips to the spermatic cord, locked the handle of the grips in his Black & Decker and twisted the testicle off, one at a time. He did not twist the scrotum off, balls and all.

[C van D (imported)]

You can't have watched the video. The rancher (or whatever he was) slit open the colt's scrotum, attached the grips to the spermatic cord, locked the handle of the grips in his Black & Decker and twisted the testicle off, one at a time. He did not twist the scrotum off, balls and all.

Me again a bit later. Curious that no one who recognised the very painful medical condition "Testicular Torsion" mentioned the dénouement of Kingsley Amis' novel "The Alteration". The little boy, Hubert, after being hurried from pillar to post in order to spare him from the career that Holy Mother Church had in store for him (i.e. to have his balls cut out and be trained up as a castrato) is found to have necrosis in both testicles, resulting from torsion, and they have to come out anyway.

Unsure why Bobbie is getting so upset. In all this thread no one is suggesting that this method of castration should be used on humans.

[bobbie (imported)]

Think the very first post was posing the question to the group of twisting the cords was a possible way to archive self castration. From the post ......

What are your thoughts about taking the individual testicles and rotating them in say a clockwise (or counter clockwise) direction which should twist the cord and blood vessels into a state that is closed. Would this be the same thing as banding except not destroying the sa

c as well?

Think you have your facts mistaken. after being hurried from pillar to post in order to spare him from the career that Holy Mother Church had in store for him (i.e. to have his balls cut out and be trained up a

s a castrato) is found to have necrosis in both testicles. This part can very well be correct. Necrosis could have developed but that is even not likely. It can make for good fantasy reading. The testicles are rather tough organs. They can take more punishment then most people may think. The type of action described is not unlike what happens in many SM Tortures.This however will not generally cause torsion. Torsion is a medical condition where the cords are twisted all by themselves. No outside force is needed. It is a contingent problem.

Torsion is a very painful condition that does need medical attention. I very much understand that.

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You can't have watched the video. The rancher (or whatever he was) slit open the colt's scrotum, attached the grips to the spermatic cord, locked the handle of the grips in his Black & Decker and twisted the testicle off, one at

a time. He did not twist the scrotum off, balls and all.

I saw a video of the sack and balls being rotated as one many years ago. I also saw the video of just the balls being rotated as in the link. I forgot about the video in the link. But I saw the video 5 or more years ago. The video link was posted after my post. Think it is very hard to comment of a post before it was made

As for my comments on this as a method as a possible method of castration. It is simply a matter of stating facts of the problems one could encounter. We have some that visit this site looking for an easy way to self castrate them self. Any new method they have not heard about may intrigue them and may see an easy way to self castrate. Give them the facts may help them avoid going to the ER and trip to the Psych ward.

[Kangan (imported)]

I've got only one thing to say to all you wannabe eunuchs. DON'T DO IT! Don't even try. The pain is unimaginable (until you've experienced it).

[Dana Lane (imported)]

Think the very first post was posing the question to the group of twisting the cords was a possible way to archive self castration. From the post ......

What are your thoughts about taking the individual testicles and rotating them in say a clockwise (or counter clockwise) direction which should twist the cord and blood vessels into a state that is closed. Would this be the same thing as

banding except not destroying the sa

c as well?

Think you have your facts mistaken. after being hurried from pillar to post in order to spare him from the career that Holy Mother Church had in store for him (i.e. to have his balls cut out and be trained up a

s a castrato) is found to have necrosis in both testicles. This part can very well be correct. Necrosis could have developed but that is even not likely. It can make for good fantasy reading. The testicles are rather tough organs. They can take more punishment then most people may think. The type of action described is not unlike what happens in many SM Tortures.This however will not generally cause torsion. Torsion is a medical condition where the cords are twisted all by themselves. No outside force is needed. It is a contingent problem.

Torsion is a very painful condition that does need medical attention. I very much understand that.

Originally Posted by C van D http://eunuch.org/vbulletin/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://e

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You can't have watched the video. The rancher (or whatever he was) slit

open the colt's scrotum, attached the grips to the spermatic cord, locked the handle of the grips in his Black & Decker and twisted the testicle off, one at

a time. He did not twist the scrotum off, balls and all.

I saw a video of the sack and balls being rotated as one many years ago. I also saw the video of just the balls being rotated as in the link. I forgot about the video in the link. Bet I saw the video 5 or more years ago. The video link was posted after my post. Think it is very hard to comment of a post before it was made

As for my comments on this as a method as a possible method of castration. It is simply a matter of stating facts of the problems one could encounter. We have some that visit this site looking for an easy way to self castrate them self. Any new method they have not heard about may intrigue them and may see an easy way to self castrate. Gi

ve them the facts may help them avoid going to the ER and trip to the Psych ward.

"Give them the facts may help them avoid going to the ER and trip to the Psych ward."

Very much appreciated, Bobbie!

[jemagirl (imported)]

Unsure why Bobbie is getting so upset. In all this thread no one is suggesting that this method of castration should be used on humans.

Unsure why you think Bobbie is getting so upset. All I get from his post is that he is concerned about the welfare of others.

[C van D (imported)]

I actually tried the bubble bath method but the little bastards are just too hard to manipulate.

From C van D. I know I'm going on a bit, but I feel pretty strongly about this. Anyone who tries this procedure on a DIY basis is a damned fool and deserves blood poisoning. There is one place for it and one place only - hospital.

I've often thought what NASTY ideas some contributors have. Just look at "Secret Boy Lover" - where the general idea seems to have been not only to castrate the children and make them passive partners for sodomy, but to inflict the maximum pain and suffering. Stories like this belong in a Sadists' Archive.

[billf82 (imported)]

Actually, the Henderson tool will work without opening the bag. As far as i know, only young animals are done "sac and all". For a fully developed adult, it is better to do one testicle at a time. (Obviously, individual practitioners may make different choices.) Twisting the cords individually is claimed to give better control of bleeding in older subjects.

[bobbie (imported)]

Actually, the Henderson tool will work without opening the bag. As far as i know, only young animals are done "sac and all". For a fully developed adult, it is better to do one testicle at a time. (Obviously, individual practitioners may make different choices.) Twisting the cords individually is claimed to give better control of bleeding in older subjects.

If you go to the Henderson web site you do not see any reference of using the tool on young animals on the sack. Where did you get your information?

What is your plan if I am so bold to ask if the twisting fails? Or if it does not tare where you plan it to? The tare is above the twisting? Try to twist your sack around 3 times. Can you do it? Do you really think you can twist it 20 times? The sack is jut too thick and short to twist. It may not just be enough to seal the end. If it reopens what do you do then. Have cords blood vessels, artery's and sac bleeding. Fast trip to the ER if lucky. The cords are long and thin. They can twist and break.

If the tool is used just on the cords like it is to be used you have the follow problems. Then there is the slit you had to make to get the ball out of the sack. How do you plan to control the bleeding? There is the infection factor to deal with. Gosh did I leave any other possible problems with this type of castration. OH yea the pain factor! That gotta hurt big time.

This castration is good fantasy in story books. But not good in real life.

[jemagirl (imported)]

From C van D. I know I'm going on a bit, but I feel pretty strongly about this. Anyone who tries this procedure on a DIY basis is a damned fool and deserves blood poisoning. There is one place for it and one place only - hospital.

I've often thought what NASTY ideas some contributors have. Just look at "Secret Boy Lover" - where the general idea seems to have been not only to castrate the children and make them passive partners for sodomy, but to inflict the maximum pain and suffering. Stories like this belong in a Sadists' Archive.

I think just about everyone on this thread is recommending AGAINST doing it yourself.

Saying that people are foolish is different than saying they are damned fools, and saying that anyone deserves blood poisoning is in my opinion counter productive.

[vesal_mas (imported)]

Dear all,

I think BridgetteFeels asked for what the french speaking world understands with 'Bistournage'.

This castration form results from the torsion of the testicular cords within the scrotum. So this scrotum is not opened !

What is bistournage ?

The scrotum can be regarded as just a sac containing the two testicles hanging on a cord. Simple thinking may lead to a very simple way of castration, especially in those patients with long scrotal necks: Just turn the testicle round its own axle and a torsion of the cord is the result. This torsion obliterates the blood vessels and the testicle dies of hypoxia.

This is/was a castration method in older days. The big advantage was there was no cutting, no wound, so no risk of infection. Disadvantage was the method is not reliable. Why ?

Why is the method not reliable ?

Nature is not stupid. During development human gonads (these gonads develop in ovaries or testicles depending on the chosen sex, XX or XY) are located in the belly. They are conected with a membrane that pulls them down.

Female ovaries will be connected to this membrane, 'ligamentum rotundum' which holds the ovaries in the neighbourhood of the womb .

Male testicles will locate themselves in the scrotum, pulled downwards by their connected membrane or 'gubernaculum'. (I believe I ones read that at a certain stade this membrane develops muscle tissue to pull the testicles downwards. Failure can lead to cryptorchidism). After the testicular descent it remains as a small but important fibrous connection between the scrotum and the testicle.

This gubernaculum prevents turning of the testicle in its own sac because it is connected to.

However

Active turning and twisting of the testicles can lead to the testicular death and so castration in certain animals. As stated, this method has been described. I have an old french book (1941) in which the method is described along with other approaches: tearing out the testicles with the teeth, torsion until rupture (manual version of the Henderson, I think), elastration, Burdizzo.

The book rejects elastration because of the pain and risk of infection. The book prefers the bistournage (if in good hands because it does not seam to be an easy procedure) and burdizzo method. Open procedures are done in bigger animals.

Human analogue

A similar condition of testicular torsion occurs sometimes spontaneously in humans. Especially postpuberal boys and young men can have this problem.

Due to an incomplete or loose gubernaculum the testicle can sometimes turn upon its own. This results in what docs call: acute scrotum: The testicle, not having enough blood and oxygen cries for it: An unusual great pain, without trauma before starts in the groin, irradiates towards the kidney region.

Some boys are afraid to tell about because it usually happens after masturbation (due to contraction of the dartos during this), and actually try to harden this pain. It seems a hot bath can ease the pain. A testicle that is ischaemic for a few hours is most probably lost. It appears that due to immunologic changes it even can deteriorate the fertility of the other (healthy) testicle.

One could find more and even with pictures at google (images). Just look for 'acute scrotum'.

And my attempts:

I often tried to turn my testicles. It does not work. Fortunately ?

However, after twisting the testicle twice, traction on the testicle gives a profound feeling ...

Hoping to have helped some what,

Take care !

Vesal.

[Gerslave (imported)]

In younger years I have also tried to twist my balls. After two turns it is impossible because of the pain in the belly, but not so much in the balls. I would also recommend not to do it in this way.

Try other cbt like (sterile) needles, strong binding or slapping...a big field of experiments:dong: