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The Promised Jan 1 message re: EA v2.0 closing from a former moderator

Post by Nulloguy »

If folks would like a recap of things which were happening on the old EA, please reach out and remind after Jan 1. I'm not intending to tear anyone down, or build up anything, but perhaps a brief summary of strange things which were noticed by users over there the past 2 years or so, can have some light shed on them at that point.

Something I'm happy to do as things move forward here.
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The Promised Jan 1 message re: EA v2.0 closing from a former moderator

Post by Nulloguy »

As I have plans over the New Year holiday, I'll go ahead and post my thoughts about EA v2.0 early. So, as promised, a former moderators view of what was going on with EA V2.0, now that it's closed. This will be a lengthy read, so sit back and relax.

I will start by saying this is a statement and not a question and answer event. I will say my piece, then move on from the subject to let this new version of the EA grow, but I felt it was owed to many of you to know what we were seeing from our position as moderators and not administrators. I'll ask you to please not ask me anything related to this statement. It may sound rude, however it is not my intent to be, but I will not answer any questions received about the old site after this statement. I became a moderator there sometime around 2013-14. Any dates I bring up are approximate and could be erroneous, this is coming from my memory of events over the past 25 years, so please be kind, I could err on some of this.

It is not my intent to throw anyone under the bus or otherwise malign them, though there are some things which went on where when I describe them, it may sound like that is what I'm doing, but there is no other realistic way to describe them. I'm sure we each have our own opinions about what went on over there. That said, there were some weird happenings there over the years I'm sure folks would like some explanation and I'll try to explain as best I can.

There have been a few dramatic things which happened over the years, but a handful come to mind:

1. The death of BBoy, the site founder.
2. The loss of hosting server home on the old BME website.
3. The loss of the original fiction archive.
4. The prohibition of political conversations on the site.
5. The prohibition of talk of seriously seeking cutters.
6. The use of the site for SOC 8 support.
7. The loss of the personals area.
8. Accounts disappearing/bans
9. The loss of fully half the discussion forums, a recent event (remember when the penectomy forums went away?).
10. The Jan 1, 2025 closure announcement.

1. BBoy and his death.
The site started back in the late 1990's, around 1997, I think. I was a long term user there, from its inception. My user ID was 253, and over it's life there had been over 250,000 accounts on the site. The Eunuch Archive has been around in some form for over 25 years, which is longer than some folks who have been there have been alive. It was started by a guy who went by the handle BBoy and the site was originally owned by him. He unfortunately passed away rather young back at the beginning, I believe right around the year 2000. At that point the site was rescued by the most recent owners - Kristoff and Talula. Despite the site having been around for a very long time, I did not meet them in person until I visited so-called, "Eunuch Central" back in 2018.

2. Did you know the site was originally hosted on the old BME site?
I do not remember exactly when it happened, but there was a huge shake-up, similar to what we're seeing today, when BME suddenly stopped hosting the Eunuch Archive. There was a scramble to make sure it didn't go away. I seem to remember this being something to do with an internal power struggle by the stakeholders in the BME site. Regardless, sometime around 2005, The Eunuch Archive moved to its own, independent home. I could be hazy on the details here. But there are still a few folks around in various places who remember Shannon Larratt and crew. This is how EA v2.0 came to be.

3. The loss of the original fiction archive.
Again, this is a hazy recollection for me as it happened around 20 years ago. I do not know if it was some sort of early web hacker issue or something else, but there was a time the fiction archive went down. It was also 100% open to the public with no username/password walls. When the hack occurred, the site had to be restored from a back-up and much of the data was lost. That's why from that point to the closing of EA V2.0, there were many lost stories available only from the Internet Archive/Wayback Machine. That is still the case today - A lot of stories are missing. So if you see an early publish date on a story and it indicates there may be more parts you can't find here, search the Wayback Machine. Perhaps there is something there.

4. The prohibition of political discussions on the EA.
This happened during the Obama era here in the USA. At first there was open discord bubbling up on the discussion boards. In an effort to get those conversations out of the topical area related to the archive, political boards were opened. Much like the ending of the EA v2.0, we were not told in advance. We just logged in one day to a notice that the political boards were closed, and that political discussion was then banned on the EA going forward. Frankly, even though they got a lot of, "But free speech..." flak thrown at them (I was not yet a moderator) It's a chief rule I enforced when I became a moderator, and frankly, it saved a lot of acrimonious behavior on the site. I always looked at it as there are a lot of other places online folks could go talk about those things and argue with one another if they so chose, but the EA wasn't going to be one of those places. We'd get flak once in a while, but overall I felt the rule was well intentioned and was a positive element of that version of the site. It kept folks, mostly, cordial.

5. The prohibition of serious talk about seeking the services of "cutters".
Another rule, which I agreed with as a moderator, was around 2010-12 a ban was instituted against any meaningful talk of seeking cutters. It was one of the more acrimonious rules there, but I also believe it was a necessary step to protect the site. People would get mad when we'd shut that talk down. It was hard to take those arrows, but it was also necessary to keep the site from getting shuttered, the owners sued, or worse.

Newer members may consider those of us who used those services way back when, people like me, who now only advocate for safe and sane procedures performed by licensed medical professionals, as being hypocrites. However, the availability of surgeons to help those of us with these kinds of things is a relatively recent development which occurred only around 2015 in a meaningful way. So, yes, I used a cutter. I'm not proud of it but it was done at a time (2005) where I was desperate to the point of serious consideration of suicide when no legitimate surgeons were willing to help.

6. The use of the EA v2.0 as a site for SOC 8 support.
A significant, and I'd argue, main reason that there was so much heavy handed moderation is the owners of the site (both bonafide eunuchs, one a PhD holder in medical sciences) saw a need for a site which dealt in the reality of what it is for men to seek these surgeries and other interventions, with a focus on truthful information. There were message boards set up so people could do that, and no matter what the site owners or moderators did, there was always some, excuse my language, asshole, who would come in and pass off his fantasies as reality in the boards reserved for the discussion of truth and legitimate medical interventions. Frankly, I'm happy to have taken those arrows also, as it allowed the academics who were working on the SOC 8 to have insight into folks who were actually pursuing these things in reality. So getting yelled at by someone who was on the site gooning out was worth it to me to provide that cover for that work to continue. It has led to care standards available today so people can access legitimate resources to achieve the changes they need to feel at peace in their bodies. You're all free to have your own opinions about this, but I'll always be proud of the role the old site had in getting the SOC 8 across the finish line.

7. The loss of the personals area.
This one has a legitimate and simple explanation. The software the personals section ran on ceased being supported. The machine burped, the site went offline, and none of us had the skills to bring it back. I was as disappointed in that loss as much as everyone else.

8. Accounts disappearing/Bans.
Yes, there was a lot of heavy handedness there. One of the things I didn't like about how such things were handled there was where we, as moderators, would go to give someone a time-out. The site only had one word used for such occurences - Ban, when Time-out would have been better phrasing. I believe that led to a lot of confusion over the years of people seeing that in the message taking it as they were permanently banned when the ban could be for a day, or a week. I only ever personally permanently banned 2 people. I will not say who those users were, but they were taking indecent liberties with the subject of minors. I had ZERO tolerance for that. And when it crossed the line - boom. Gone. As I noted, I only ever did that twice.

It was routine for the site owners to delete accounts which had no activity for over a year. As a moderator, I disagreed with doing this, as I felt there may have been many folks who simply left to take a break for a while, then wanted to come back. But I wasn't the site owner, so I had no say in that happening. Those of us who could access that part of the site also noticed strange activity, including myself.

As for those of you who had difficulty signing up, didn't understand rejections, etc. I have no idea what went on with that either. We moderators were not responsible for turning accounts on. I'd get a lot of flack from folks saying I did certain things, but I can 100% honestly say it wasn't me, or any of the others who had moderator access and not administrator access. But I mostly kept quiet and took the hits. I'm sorry many of you had to deal with that.

9. The loss of around half the discussion forums.
I'm sure this is the biggest mystery to many of you. The penectomy forums disappeared, that much is true. We moderators have no idea why it happened. Our best guess is, and this is where my comments earlier about sounding like I'm throwing someone under the bus come in, is that the system didn't have a hiccup. Myself and a couple of other moderators strongly believe that one of the owners, who wasn't a huge fan of penectomy, in some sort of fit, DELETED those forums. The truth is we don't have proof, and we didn't have access to the back-end of the system as we were not administrators, so we couldn't prove it. So I suppose it's a plausible explanation, but nothing we who were moderators can prove without any doubt.

10. The January 1, 2025 site closure announcement.
The main reason the site went down, after several years of no updates, is both of the owners are rather ill. One will be passing imminently as he stated in a post on the old site. The other, I'm not sure what his overall prognosis is, but I do know he has significant health difficulties to deal with, but I get the impression the prognosis is not good. What each has going on I will not state, as that is their story to tell should they come here and wish to do so. However, that is one of the explanations of the Jan 1, 2025 going offline announcement, and one of the reasons that there had been appeals for several years for someone to take over. I won't go into the over/under on that, it's a moot point today. The site is gone, and we all have this wonderful new place to come to thanks to the efforts of Fusion for the discussion boards, Dandelion for the fiction archive, and Fhunter for the chatroom. I am grateful they stepped up to do this, and my apologies if I've missed anyone.

My last statement, and I've already said it, is both the EA v2.0 site closure announcement and the site closing earlier than announced were both surprises to the regular, non-owner, moderation staff. None of us were given any warning. We knew when you knew. For what it is worth, I tried to get the old site back-up files from the owners, and I'm heartbroken it wasn't able to be saved. Fusion even helped me with this effort, and spearheaded it himself in his own way. It is a significant loss.

Again, please take this statement as my best, good faith effort to inform. Again, I will not answer any questions related to the closure of the old site going forward. It's closed and it doesn't matter now. But I felt you all deserved the best explanation I could give of the strange goings on over there over the years.

On that note... The EA is dead. Long live the EA!
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Re: The Promised Jan 1 message re: EA v2.0 closing from a former moderator

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Thank you for the "insider view."

Just something to add to the end: According to Paolo, Talula has a back up that's several days old that they are handing over to Kinsey. Fhunter also has a scrape of the forum that is valuable. *MAYBE* we can try to figure out how to import it later.

Wheely has a story about the "big hack" that brought down FAv1. I'll let him tell his tale. :D

And yea... the user banning. I've heard many stories about it already and the new Fiction Archive has only been up for 1.5 weeks. My own account gets deleted a few times, probably because I was never on the forum. Luckily every time I reregister they reinstate me. Many others aren't so lucky though.
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Thank you for the statement. I certainly appreciate the work you put into it.

I will say that I've had phone conversations w/ Paolo and Talula, and their comments agree with what you have said in all significant ways, so I'd urge any of our members to respect NG's wishes not to answer questions or discuss it further, as I believe his summation is about as accurate as one is likely to get.

(I WILL put on the Mod Hat if needed to keep the arrows from flying...)

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dandelion wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2024 3:11 pm Thank you for the "insider view."

Just something to add to the end: According to Paolo, Talula has a back up that's several days old that they are handing over to Kinsey. Fhunter also has a scrape of the forum that is valuable. *MAYBE* we can try to figure out how to import it later.

Wheely has a story about the "big hack" that brought down FAv1. I'll let him tell his tale. :D

And yea... the user banning. I've heard many stories about it already and the new Fiction Archive has only been up for 1.5 weeks. My own account gets deleted a few times, probably because I was never on the forum. Luckily every time I reregister they reinstate me. Many others aren't so lucky though.
My understanding from Paolo, and what was posted one EAv2 before the shutdown is that the plan was to turn the old site content and the fiction archive over to the Kinsey Institute, who were expected to bring it up as a "read only" reference. When the site was lost due to a SNAFU at the hosting company, the plan shifted to giving Kinsey the backup. How long it will take for anything to happen in this regard is dependent on Kinsey.

Not a huge story about the "big hack" - Essentially Paolo said he was reviewing story submissions, and opened up a new submission. He said it went to a "DOS Boot Screen" for a few seconds and then everything went blank and crashed badly... This included the problem submission, so no idea just what happened or how the event happened... He and Talula then spent a considerable amount of time and effort (and very little sleep) in recovering what they could, and recreating the FA, but some things were lost as already mentioned....

I did not have enough exposure to comment much on the user banning, other than to say that a lot of the complaints I saw posted seemed to be FA readers that got bit by the fairly prominently posted policy of requiring them to log into the actual EA site at least once a year instead of just using their creds to log into the EunuchWorld Fiction Archive...

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Re: The Promised Jan 1 message re: EA v2.0 closing from a former moderator

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I was a lurker in the BME days, and signed up when the EA came back. I even got myself "banned" a couple times. Not on purpose. Just sometimes, back then the emotions and fingers got way ahead of the brain. I always apologised and got reinstated. The moderators and admins were great people.

To the current admins and moderators. THANK YOU!

I've been an admin on a couple boards. It's a thankless job.

Wheely, fhunter, nulloguy and anyone else who are working their butts off to make this place, THANK YOU!

I can't say it enough. I know you can't hear me, way out here in the middle of nowhere, but I say thank you every time I log in, and every time I log out,
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I'll add one more thing just so it's clear for the folks coming here now.

This new site and the old one have no common DNA other than the name and the chat room. I was given an opportunity to be a moderator here, and I politely declined. After 25 years of this, I felt it was time to move on and be a regular 'ole user of these forums, not to mention I have aging relatives taking up significant amounts of my free time for their care.

That, and I just felt it was time for some new DNA to be added to the management. What better way than to start from scratch?

The issues on the old site are not the issues of this new site. But things that were nuisances on the old site should not be popping up here, vis-a-vis the "strange happenings" and software glitches; I'd consider any similarities to be coincidental. The old site and new site are completely separate. This new site has owners unrelated to those who owned the previous one.

Please be kind to the new team here, they are doing their level best to have this become a good resource for the community. It's a tough job.
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Thank you for the very interesting post. Important from a historical perspective and also to help us to not repeat previous mistakes. Hopefully we can have input into SOC-9. Happy new year to all eunuchs and those interested in various forms of castration. So happy that EA v3.0 exists.
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Thanks for posting this information and giving us a behind the scenes perspective. I happen to be one of the accounts that was banned for no apparent reason last March. after tracking Paulo down elsewhere on the internet, he had me reinstated, but all my old posts were gone, so it was like I was a new member all over again- VERY frustrating!!! What was real disheartening, though is that nobody apologized. The attitude was basically "oh, well, shit happens, suck it up".

I can't thank those who set this new site up enough. I can tell it's a different, more evolved culture.
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What an awesome trivia! This just be pinned somehow in the site.

The part of the site being hosted in the old BME site was really something that I never expected, although I had found some castrations stories there. One of those stories was quite remarking to me. Unfortunately, that site is off now, just like many site from 2000s web. We're sadly losing data and internet history. :(
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