Are eunuchs still males

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I wouldn t even mind seeing some pretty in your face bumper stickers and T shirts just so that those eunuchs who want to make a big public message of their gelding to the world can if they choose.

I see lots of " I heart castration " bumper stickers, T shirts, and coffee mugs offered for sale online at normal T shirt retailers who are catering to pretty varied and mainstream tastes. I wondered who was buying those ? Maybe as gag gifts for men getting vasectomies or farmers, ranchers, horse owners, and vets ?

I think its up to each eunuch to decide what he feels comfortable disclosing and to whom. Years ago vasectomies were not considered polite conversation material. Now men and women openly discuss which men are sterilized and which are not. That s considered normal conversation in male groups and even in mixed company now. I think gelding will get there in time with more men considering it as a normal male stage of life that they can choose.

In farming and ranching, castration has long been treated as an openly discussed livestock practice with routine joking about which men can best benefit from losing their balls. As kids we discussed it openly from grade school on, helping with herding and sorting livestock at that age.

Its common with household pets in public discussions and even required for pets by law in some cities. This has spawned online T shirts reading " Keep your laws off my dog s balls " and " My Daddy has enough balls for both of us " and " Spay and neuter your humans. " to voice opposing sides of that heated debate .

I think we will get to human castration being a normal choice for men as non breeders or for men who are done making any more kids some day.

You hear lots of talk of using as punishment for sex offenders thrown around publically now too.

[DonnyMac (imported)]

I wear a "EUNUCH AND PROUD" T-shirt.

Don

[Chesleyt (imported)]

Where do I get one

[DonnyMac (imported)]

Amazon and Redbubble.com have them. Amazon has the bold "EUNUCH AND PROUD" shirt while Redbubble has more subtle that just state "EUNUCH."

Don

[Cygnusx1 (imported)]

i agree with you are how you feel inside making you male or female

[GordonGG (imported)]

The main way any eunuch would announce his status to strangers is simply choosing to get naked in locker rooms, public showers, nude beaches, saunas, drs offices, and the various other normal places that unaltered men get naked. I think being naked in front of other people, especially other males, is a normal part of life for most males.

Not necessarily true. I haven't been naked in front of another man in probably 15 years.

[GordonGG (imported)]

I doubt anyone would have noticed as clothing optional etiquette rather dictates one simply does not stare and another man's junk.

Personally I hate that word "junk" vehemently. I never use, and cringe every time I read or hear it. Just my personal opinion. Carry on.

[Keineier (imported)]

All of you missed the point!

Are we not men? WE ARE DEVO!

[mattman59 (imported)]

How and why would I announce my "status" to strangers? The absurdity of such behavior would deserve a "hard time". But you are correct that the world is populated with too many ignorant idiots and fortunately my circle of friends are not among them. Virtually all, like me, are Libertarian and very open minded.

Good to hear.

[mattman59 (imported)]

I wouldn t even mind seeing some pretty in your face bumper stickers and T shirts just so that those eunuchs who want to make a big public message of their gelding to the world can if they choose.

I see lots of " I heart castration " bumper stickers, T shirts, and coffee mugs offered for sale online at normal T shirt retailers who are catering to pretty varied and mainstream tastes. I wondered who was buying those ? Maybe as gag gifts for men getting vasectomies or farmers, ranchers, horse owners, and vets ?

I think its up to each eunuch to decide what he feels comfortable disclosing and to whom. Years ago vasectomies were not considered polite conversation material. Now men and women openly discuss which men are sterilized and which are not. That s considered normal conversation in male groups and even in mixed company now. I think gelding will get there in time with more men considering it as a normal male stage of life that they can choose.

In farming and ranching, castration has long been treated as an openly discussed livestock practice with routine joking about which men can best benefit from losing their balls. As kids we discussed it openly from grade school on, helping with herding and sorting livestock at that age.

Its common with household pets in public discussions and even required for pets by law in some cities. This has spawned online T shirts reading " Keep your laws off my dog s balls " and " My Daddy has enough balls for both of us " and " Spay and neuter your humans. " to voice opposing sides of that heated debate .

I think we will get to human castration being a normal choice for men as non breeders or for men who are done making any more kids some day.

You hear lots of talk of using as punishment for sex offenders thrown around publically now too.

When we get to that point where castration is a normal choice for men then we have truly crossed over the threshold and achieved victory.

[mattman59 (imported)]

Amazon and Redbubble.com have them. Amazon has the bold "EUNUCH AND PROUD" shirt while Redbubble has more subtle that just state "EUNUCH."

Don

Eunuchs have come a long way to have shirts like that on Amazon. Awesome.

[mattman59 (imported)]

All of you missed the point!

Are we not men? WE ARE DEVO!

Love Devo and all those New Wave/Alternative bands from the 80's.

[thoughtful1998 (imported)]

It's an odd question: there are, it seems, thirteen different sexual indentities.

For example, considering my case:

1) after castration my body isn't a male body anymore;

2) but yet a little adrenal production of male hormones kept my sex drive still partially functioning, even at a very minor level and with serious changement (blood tests seem to confirm that);

3) in the most part of my sex-life my "role" in the game was more female-like than male-like...

4) so i'm not a physical male with partial male identity and male hormones but a female-like personality; i'm not a proper transgender in any case; so i think that "genderfluid" could be a proper definition.

[Begoneboy (imported)]

The main way any eunuch would announce his status to strangers is simply choosing to get naked in locker rooms, public showers, nude beaches, saunas, drs offices, and the various other normal places that unaltered men get naked. I think being naked in front of other people, especially other males, is a normal part of life for most males.

I think its great when eunuchs feel confident and comfortable enough to get naked in front of other people, especially intact males, with no shame or embarassment.

I love hearing how people react to eunuchs and nullos in different situations. I think hearing how people really do act in members experiences is very interesting and helpful for eunuchs, nullos, and any men thinking of modifying their own body.

My experience of getting naked in front of men as a nullo has been more negative than positive. In our present society to get naked in front of gay men has generally resulted in expulsion from the venue. While doing So in front if straight men has been to be considered feminine. In time that has become a pleasure but there was a learning curve. The gay crowd has never accepted it and I am shunned by them the majority of the time.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I m sorry to hear that Begoneboy. I assume that since most gay men are seeking another male with a penis and testicles that most gay venues remove anyone lacking those. Just making money off what their customers want from that venue. I m guessing most gay venues don t even know which sex you are when they remove you. They just do the simple sight of your genitals and make their decision solely on that basis.

I do have to say that I have seen some obviously designated gay men s bars utterly ruined by allowing any women in them. As soon as any women start using a gay men s bar, even lesbians, straight men start following the women inside to land female sex partners. Then the straight men object to gay men assuming males inside an obviously gay bar are gay ! The straight men get angry or violent when any gay men try to flirt with them inside a gay bar. The whole purpose of a gay men s bar, to meet other men by flirting with the men in there ! Once men have to worry about figuring out which men in a bar are gay or straight, you have failed the whole point of a gay men s bar ! It becomes just another endless straight bar and the gay men lose another of the far too rare men s gay bars to women.

This is why gay venues remove anyone without a penis. I m guessing eunuchs would never be removed as long as they still have a penis.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I wear a "EUNUCH AND PROUD" T-shirt.

Don

I think that s great that you have the bravery and balls to wear that T shirt ! This is what it takes to help make an unspeakable topic more accepted in the public arena of culture.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

When we get to that point where castration is a normal choice for men then we have truly crossed over the threshold and achieved victory.

I think the only way that will ever be attained is by men speaking out about castration openly and through websites like this one. The same is true for dickless men and nullos. How else will other people ever be exposed to eunuchs and nullos to understand and accept them ?

[Begoneboy (imported)]

I m sorry to hear that Begoneboy. I assume that since most gay men are seeking another male with a penis and testicles that most gay venues remove anyone lacking those. Just making money off what their customers want from that venue. I m guessing most gay venues don t even know which sex you are when they remove you. They just do the simple sight of your genitals and make their decision solely on that basis.

I do have to say that I have seen some obviously designated gay men s bars utterly ruined by allowing any women in them. As soon as any women start using a gay men s bar, even lesbians, straight men start following the women inside to land female sex partners. Then the straight men object to gay men assuming males inside an obviously gay bar are gay ! The straight men get angry or violent when any gay men try to flirt with them inside a gay bar. The whole purpose of a gay men s bar, to meet other men by flirting with the men in there ! Once men have to worry about figuring out which men in a bar are gay or straight, you have failed the whole point of a gay men s bar ! It becomes just another endless straight bar and the gay men lose another of the far too rare men s gay bars to women.

This is why gay venues remove anyone without a penis. I m guessing eunuchs would never be removed as long as they still have a penis.

cutnbulls2ox That was a pretty nice way of attempting to justify any particular group practicing what they scream at the top of their lungs is wrongly being done to them on so many levels. My minds view doesn't see black, white, male, female, gay, straight or anything other than a human being. For a human to practice the sort of prejudice against others that the human complains is being practiced against themselves is simply hypocrisy by any other name. But then again, that wasn't the topic of this particular thread so it's best that I stick to the topic which was "are eunuchs still males" which has but one answer. Of course they are physically even if mentally or emotionally they may not feel such.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

Hi Begoneboy,

I m glad you understand my intention. Yes, life can be unfair. People certainly are. I think everyone experiences some of it in some form in their lives. I get some really hateful and mean looks and comments and I have been treated like shit in some fem gay bars and settings as a masculine gay man because I m far from what those men are seeking in those gay venues. As young men you get free drinks and lots of attention in gay bars. As men age, they get less of that welcome. I m not saying its right. I m just saying it is. That s all. I don t think its any more personal than age or butch vs fem or whatever else people people personally seek out and prefer or don t prefer. It happens to all of us.

We just end up trying to seek out people who will appreciate us for what we are, and for what we can offer other people.

Now I ll shut up. Thanks.

[OneBallBoi (imported)]

I will stand with others here.. Male/Female is a mental state of mind. It you brain says you are a male, then you are a male.. If your brain says that you are a female.. Then by gosh, you are a female.. I have been a Eunuch for most 15 years now, but I am still a male in my mind. I have no sexual interests at all and that is a good thing. But I am still a male.

[simone vaneau (imported)]

i've been chemically castrated what seems to be very effective:no more erection, penis shrunk dramaticaly. I think "genderfluid" is the best definition for me too.

[Cseriess (imported)]

cutnbulls2ox That was a pretty nice way of attempting to justify any particular group practicing what they scream at the top of their lungs is wrongly being done to them on so many levels. My minds view doesn't see black, white, male, female, gay, straight or anything other than a human being. For a human to practice the sort of prejudice against others that the human complains is being practiced against themselves is simply hypocrisy by any other name. But then again, that wasn't the topic of this particular thread so it's best that I stick to the topic which was "are eunuchs still males" which has but one answer. Of course they are physically even if mentally or emotionally they may not feel such.

The last couple of times I have been to a gay bar I was immediately tagged as straight, even though I was with a very close gay friend. One barman even said we made a cute couple, pitty I was straight. Which is funny as my therapist says I am pansexual. So difficult to find a box to sit in to make other people more comfortable.

[cutnbulls2ox (imported)]

I get men thinking I m str8 all the time too. They ask me if I know I m in a gay bar ? Some say I look like a str8 man who wandered in by mistake lol. Or on a gay beach, they ignore me and won t get near me. Then later say they thought I was str8 and assumed it d be useless to try talking to me.

Image is often stronger than reality.

Great that barman thought you were so cute !

[Nidaho Rachel (imported)]

This may have been answered before. Are you still Eunuch if you take HRT?

[Chesleyt (imported)]

Yes an eunuch is a castrated man it doesn't matter if he uses testosterone or estrogen.