Hello everyone! new member here. looking to castrate myself in Saudi Arabia

[Mimi]

Hello everyone! I go here by Mimi. and I am looking to castrate myself. I live in Saudi arabia and cannot move out of it as of now sadly. does anyone know of anyone who can castrate me here? or have any leads? thanks a lot in advance!

[WheelyFixed]

Hello and welcome to the forums!

Unfortunately while there are various rumors (many of them very nasty) about castration and eunuchs in Saudi Arabia and various other Muslim countries, I don't know of any resources in Saudi Arabia where one can get safely and legally castrated without a lot of other negative consequences. (many of the rumors involve slavery, etc.)

Do you know of any sort of LGBTQ+ centers or organizations in your country? I've been told that at least some versions of Islam are very unaccepting of this sort of thing, and that because of the heavy influence religion has on your government that there may not be many options.

Unfortunately 'medical tourism' may be your only real option. What is the reason you can't leave your country?

WheelyFixed

[Mimi]

Hello and welcome to the forums!

Unfortunately while there are various rumors (many of them very nasty) about castration and eunuchs in Saudi Arabia and various other Muslim countries, I don't know of any resources in Saudi Arabia where one can get safely and legally castrated without a lot of other negative consequences. (many of the rumors involve slavery, etc.)

Do you know of any sort of LGBTQ+ centers or organizations in your country? I've been told that at least some versions of Islam are very unaccepting of this sort of thing, and that because of the heavy influence religion has on your government that there may not be many options.

Unfortunately 'medical tourism' may be your only real option. What is the reason you can't leave your country?

WheelyFixed

No there are no LGBTQ+ centers. you said it yourself religion limits that a lot. I cannot travel outside currently because I am stuck in this country as an illegal citizen. 20 years ago when I was born my father decided it'll be funny to not register me or apply for any documents which resulted in me growing up being stuck here but that's a story for another day. I do not care about legal and laws. if a doctor or even a vet is willing to castrate me I'll take the chance because I am desperate.

[WheelyFixed]

That sounds like a tough one, I have absolutely no idea with how to deal with the illegal citizen part of the problem, and can't suggest any way to find a person that would be willing to do surgery especially given what I've heard about Saudi legal punishments...

That said, do you insist on surgical castration, or would chemical castration be a possible option? If it is, then there might be ways to do that on your own, though we don't recommend it since there are risks to most of the methods....

WheelyFixed

[Mimi]

That sounds like a tough one, I have absolutely no idea with how to deal with the illegal citizen part of the problem, and can't suggest any way to find a person that would be willing to do surgery especially given what I've heard about Saudi legal punishments...

That said, do you insist on surgical castration, or would chemical castration be a possible option? If it is, then there might be ways to do that on your own, though we don't recommend it since there are risks to most of the methods....

WheelyFixed

I don't mind chemical castration if it leads to the same results. and I am willing to take some risks because I am truly desperate. but I'd want to minimize it as much as possible. so please if you know of anything let me know.

[WheelyFixed]

This is where I really miss the old EAv2 as there were a LOT of threads there that went over all sorts of DIY methods, many of which dated back to the days when that was pretty much the only option there was....

Possibly the lowest risk is some of the drugs that are used for 'Androgen Deprivation Therapy' (ADT) in prostate cancer patients. One that I've seen mentioned as low cost and that might be easier to obtain is estradiol (estrogen), either as a patch or injections. I don't know what the rules are about getting drugs there, but I know some have used mail order pharmacies in other countries that don't require prescriptions. One that used to be mentioned a lot was "In House Pharmacy" You do not want oral estrogen as that requires a higher dose and puts a strain on your liver. Arguably the biggest downside risk of estradiol is that you will get some degree of 'feminizing' especially breast growth. Upside is it avoids some of the physical and mental health issues that can come with castration....

There are other drugs like Lupron, Firmagon (one of the better drug names IMHO ) and so on that are used for prostate cancer, but they are said to be much more expensive and harder to get.

Another drug mentioned frequently is Depot Provera

WheelyFixed

[Mimi]

This is where I really miss the old EAv2 as there were a LOT of threads there that went over all sorts of DIY methods, many of which dated back to the days when that was pretty much the only option there was....

Possibly the lowest risk is some of the drugs that are used for 'Androgen Deprivation Therapy' (ADT) in prostate cancer patients. One that I've seen mentioned as low cost and that might be easier to obtain is estradiol (estrogen), either as a patch or injections. I don't know what the rules are about getting drugs there, but I know some have used mail order pharmacies in other countries that don't require prescriptions. One that used to be mentioned a lot was "In House Pharmacy" You do not want oral estrogen as that requires a higher dose and puts a strain on your liver. Arguably the biggest downside risk of estradiol is that you will get some degree of 'feminizing' especially breast growth. Upside is it avoids some of the physical and mental health issues that can come with castration....

There are other drugs like Lupron, Firmagon (one of the better drug names IMHO ) and so on that are used for prostate cancer, but they are said to be much more expensive and harder to get.

Another drug mentioned frequently is Depot Provera

WheelyFixed

Thanks for the info though I'd prefer to not grow more girly. without estrogen I already look rather soft and feminine. I'll still check to see if it's possible to get this drug though it's unlikely as everything in this place needs a permit and mails and stuff are tracjed. if anyone knows of a surgical method in Saudi arabia or somewhere to get the drug to inject from under the table if you know what I mean then please let me know.

[Mimi]

I don't know about chemical castration anymore. I've spent a good few hours researching it and not only is it hard to get something to saudi arabia due to strict rules of transport. the downsides might just be too much. I am not 100% against the idea because I want to castrate no matter what but I certainly prefer physical castration.

[dandelion]

There are some other methods such as ethanol injections, calcium chloride, and perhaps stirring. Not sure if they are recommended as there can be other side effects, but I suppose you will be able to obtain them more easily.

Do your research. Have a back up plan. Find a doctor you trust that you can see if you experience any problems.

[WheelyFixed]

There are some other methods such as ethanol injections, calcium chloride, and perhaps stirring. Not sure if they are recommended as there can be other side effects, but I suppose you will be able to obtain them more easily.

Do your research. Have a back up plan. Find a doctor you trust that you can see if you experience any problems.

FWIW, I found I still had some of my early notes that I made before I started doing the SOCv8 process, and just made them into a couple of LONG posts in the Castration Discussion / Chemical Castration / Medication & Methods area, including one on CaCl...

WheelyFixed

[Mimi]

There are some other methods such as ethanol injections, calcium chloride, and perhaps stirring. Not sure if they are recommended as there can be other side effects, but I suppose you will be able to obtain them more easily.

Do your research. Have a back up plan. Find a doctor you trust that you can see if you experience any problems.

FWIW, I found I still had some of my early notes that I made before I started doing the SOCv8 process, and just made them into a couple of LONG posts in the Castration Discussion / Chemical Castration / Medication & Methods area, including one on CaCl...

WheelyFixed

Thanks for the notes, sadly in Saudi Arabia you cannot buy alcohol unless you are a partying royalty (Which if I was I could do whatever the !@#$ I want). I'll be taking notes though and seeing which is the most plausible way for me to castrate, I am still hoping that someone who knows of a doctor willing to castrate will stumble across this post.

[Mimi]

By the way I should probably mention that me wanting to castrate is not a fantasy or some sort of fetish.

[WheelyFixed]

I'm sort of surprised that there is not a thriving black market for alcohol... I remember American history when they tried to prohibit booze, and an entire industry sprang up to supply it... Made a lot of people rich, and possibly led to family members being elected to high office....

I know there is supposed to be a prohibition in Islam, but I figured there are probably those that are of other beliefs or not all that faithful....

WheelyFixed

[rufusdomition]

I'm sort of surprised that there is not a thriving black market for alcohol... I remember American history when they tried to prohibit booze, and an entire industry sprang up to supply it... Made a lot of people rich, and possibly led to family members being elected to high office....

I know there is supposed to be a prohibition in Islam, but I figured there are probably those that are of other beliefs or not all that faithful....

WheelyFixed

They don't need underground market to buy alcohol because they can buy it in nearby Gulf states like the UAE and Bahrain.
Driving across the broder to buy is safer than buying something unknown from underground sellors.

[WheelyFixed]

True, but I'd think there would be folks that couldn't cross the border that could still be a market... OTOH, do you know anyone that CAN cross the border and smuggle some Everclear or equivalent back? (remember you don't need a lot...)

WheelyFixed

[Mimi]

I'm sort of surprised that there is not a thriving black market for alcohol... I remember American history when they tried to prohibit booze, and an entire industry sprang up to supply it... Made a lot of people rich, and possibly led to family members being elected to high office....

I know there is supposed to be a prohibition in Islam, but I figured there are probably those that are of other beliefs or not all that faithful....

WheelyFixed

The difference between us and when America tried prohibition back in 1920 is that Americans already knew and liked alcohol so they wanted ways to keep drinking. not to mention people were not aware that beer was going to be banned as well. however in Saudi Arabia we never had alcohol (Not the common folks anyway) so we don't "miss" it. (That is not to say we don't have drinking here. again if you are a partying royalty then you got it all. the parties they throw here are more naughty than the ones thrown by the naughtiest Americans/Europeans)

[Mimi]

True, but I'd think there would be folks that couldn't cross the border that could still be a market... OTOH, do you know anyone that CAN cross the border and smuggle some Everclear or equivalent back? (remember you don't need a lot...)

WheelyFixed

Sadly no. I would be shun if I told what I want to do to myself to anyone IRL. and the people that do know are unable to do that.

[Mimi]

Guys. what is stirring?

[WheelyFixed]

Short description - sticking a needle into a testicle and 'stirring' it around.... basic idea is to destroy the internal structure, leading to loss of fertility, etc...

WheelyFixed

[Mimi]

Short description - sticking a needle into a testicle and 'stirring' it around.... basic idea is to destroy the internal structure, leading to loss of fertility, etc...

WheelyFixed

I've been talking in the chatroom and someone talked about it. yeah I am not doing that. sounds painful

[WheelyFixed]

Never tried it, and can't now, but I'm told it is surprisingly less painful than you'd expect... The claim is that the testicles don't have a lot of the nerves inside that give pain messages, and the idea is that you essentially poke into the ball at one point and then only stir the inside, so you don't trigger the other nerves on the outside... Or at least that is my understanding, but I have never looked at it in any detail.

WheelyFixed

[Mimi]

Never tried it, and can't now, but I'm told it is surprisingly less painful than you'd expect... The claim is that the testicles don't have a lot of the nerves inside that give pain messages, and the idea is that you essentially poke into the ball at one point and then only stir the inside, so you don't trigger the other nerves on the outside... Or at least that is my understanding, but I have never looked at it in any detail.

WheelyFixed

I looked it up as well and apparently the only painful part is the poking with the needle. I'll need to look it up further. a single "stirring" session isn't enough it seems and one would need to do it many times over a long period of time to actually get castrated. and I assume you'd need to do it twice per testicle?

[Mimi]

The problem is that it's just people saying stuff. I couldn't find actual scientific proof that it won't be as painful as one would expect (Which is very) so if you could look it up as well I'd be grateful

[Sakebigoe]

You won't find any scientific proof as to whether it's less painful than you would expect, nor do I suspect you'll find much about its effectiveness. I never stirred or did alcohol injections when I still had my testicles so I can't really attest to how either feel but I had done several play piercing sessions where needles were driven into or through my testicles. What I can say from that experience is that it seems possible that the claims about it being less painful than expected are true. In my experience the most painful part of sticking a needle into a testicle is surprisingly at the very start when you're pushing it through the skin of the scrotum. During that step you feel that sharp stinging pain you would expect from sticking a needle into yourself, after it's through the skin you just feel pressure on the testicles themselves until it punctures through the outer wall. Once the needle is inside I remember feeling basically no pain as it worked its way through the interior of the testicle until it reached the other wall at which poin I would feel more pressure. It's a very odd sensation and hard to describe.

Now that being said I would encourage anyone considering this to proceed with caution, I don't know exactly what sort of internal structure is going on inside a testicle but I have some doubts that any DIY castration methods are particularly safe. Infection would be my biggest concern, but bleeding may be a risk too.

[WheelyFixed]

The problem is that it's just people saying stuff. I couldn't find actual scientific proof that it won't be as painful as one would expect (Which is very) so if you could look it up as well I'd be grateful

You won't find ANY 'scientific proof' as this is not a procedure that has any medical reason that can't be accomplished more easily in other ways... An MD would have no reason to stir your testicles when he could simply remove them... Also any sort of medical procedure that would be likely to cause significant pain is going to be done w/ anesthesia.... All I can say is that EVERY report I've seen about sticking needles into one's balls for any reason says that it doesn't hurt except going in or out as Sakebigoe just described...

WheelyFixed