EA Poll: Would you do it again?

[NaturalEunuch]

I read an article today in The Journal of Sexual Medicine about a new study that claims 25% of men who get MtF "gender-affirming surgery" could lead to potentially dangerous mental health effects, including depression, anxiety and suicidal ideation.

I've heard people mention on EAv2 that MtE eunuchs sometimes get depression, but in general just about every eunuch I've conversed with is happy with their decision to get castrated and would do it again.

What about you?

[WheelyFixed]

My recollection is that we had a few reports of post-surgery depression on EAv2, but the feeling many expressed was being happy that it was finally done.

One of the things suggested was that a lot of the reports of depression were coming from guys castrated because of other medical issues, such as cancer or trauma, that didn't want to be....

The study you mention seems more interesting since AFAIK, anyone getting MtF surgery is going to be doing so voluntarily....

Purely speculating here, but I know that one of the early observations that led to EA, SOCv8, etc was the experience in the Netherlands which had made MtF surgeries readily available very early. They found that a high percentage (IIRC about 1/3) of the patients dropped out before completing transition, with some suggestion that the reason in many cases was that they had reached a point where they were satisfied and did not need to continue.... I haven't seen any data about how many may have been eunuchs at the point where they dropped out.... I wonder though if the 25% of patients mentioned are having issues because of feeling that they went 'to far' in going all the way from M to F, and if they might have been happier to have stopped in our happy 'mushy middle' (The same might apply to at least some of those "Detransitioners" - why insist on being binary?)

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[wanasoso2]

I read an article today in The Journal of Sexual Medicine about a new study that claims 25% of men who get MtF "gender-affirming surgery" could lead to potentially dangerous mental health effects, including depression, anxiety and suicidal ideation.

From discussion with my sex therapist I learn that some man go to MtF transformation as they think in a binary model. "If I don't feel totally right in my masculine life I should be a woman" This way of thinking doesn't include the non-binary world of male with a more feminine gender, (or the eunuch one) Both kinds as some sort of in-between. It does not surprise anyone that if you are not ok with your male living in the society standard and if the female one is not actually the right one for you, the individual will end up with more problems or with the same sad and depressive feelings. I started with this feeling to become a woman and it took me years to fell, understand and accept what a feminine man is. My life is much more equilibrated now and I can relate to eunuchs that feel more feminine when fixed.

[Drugganator]

I read an article today in The Journal of Sexual Medicine about a new study that claims 25% of men who get MtF "gender-affirming surgery" could lead to potentially dangerous mental health effects, including depression, anxiety and suicidal ideation.

Men shouldn’t get MtF surgery, women should

[Jon246]

I would definitely get castrated again!

[Nulloguy]

I would have chosen the option for **** YES! I'd do it again, had it been listed.

[Sakebigoe]

There's definitely a sampling bias here, I doubt someone who was unhappy or regretfull about getting castrated would still be participating with a community like this. For the record, I would absolutely do it again. I wish I had the mental clarity to get castrated at a younger age but I'm very happy to finally have done it.

[Evolve]

There's definitely a sampling bias here, I doubt someone who was unhappy or regretfull about getting castrated would still be participating with a community like this. For the record, I would absolutely do it again. I wish I had the mental clarity to get castrated at a younger age but I'm very happy to finally have done it.

It would be interesting to have a scientific survey that includes, both the MTE and MTF communities. My guess is the only regret that would register is the regret of not pursuing the procedure(s) sooner.

[WheelyFixed]

Agreed, though I think the MTF part has more or less already been done a few times, I'm sure Jesus could do a more definitive answer as to the details and numbers. My recollection is that better than 95% were happy with the results overall, w/ some being unhappy with the less than perfect results.... (at least some of this is probably a question of what the patient could afford / their insurance covers)

There were a very small %age that were very unhappy, and have become those obnoxious 'de-transitioners' we hear so much about in the anti-media...

I sometimes wonder what would happen if becoming a eunuch was more of a known option to those unhappy with their OEM equipment - possibly as a question raised as soon as a person walked into the TG clinic... Apparently one of the early pieces of supporting evidence for adding the Eunuch Chapter to the SOC was a program in the Netherlands where they had a quite high percentage (IIRC about 1/3) drop out, and when some of them were surveyed they said they'd gone 'far enough' and didn't feel the need to become women....

I know that many here and on EAv2, including myself, were wanting to lose some or all of the 'boy bits' but also had no interest in becoming female....

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[wanasoso2]

you're absolutely right Whelly, as I just mention earlier in that post, my sex therapist helped me better understand who I am and It is now better for me to be in a sort of "in between" male and female instead of expecting to solve my confuse gender feeling by becoming female as I thought years ago when I started with her. It may not be totally simple to live and understand what it is to be in an in between situation but it's better compare to do the big move. As sometimes I still remains and feel quite male I think I make, for now, the right choice and my evolution will determine where exactly this venture will bring me. It is possible that an ultimate castration would enable me to be still male and get rid of the sex urge that invade my live. As it is the case for many members here. Especially for those who need to adjust their libido to the one of their aging wife.

[Sakebigoe]

I think the issue with trying to make an accurate scientific study on this topic would be finding a sample group that's representative. People like myself who are happy with the decision to get castrated are relatively easy to find, I'm on several forums and I'm happy to share my experiences. The challenge would be finding people unhappy with their choice to get castrated, those folks tend not to want to share their experiences, they avoid spaces where voluntary castration is discussed, and they likely feel a great deal of shame about the subject. Maybe I'm just projecting how I would feel but I know if I had myself permanently altered and later came to regret the decision I would feel extremely embarrassed, and foolish. This is why any time I talk with someone considering getting castrated I encourage them to proceede with caution and make sure they're 100% certain that they want to be a eunuch. I love being a eunuch but it's a one way trip. I share the sentiment that hopefully someday voluntary castration becomes a more acceptable option for people like us.

[WheelyFixed]

I very much agree both on the need to be '1,000% certain' before seeking surgery, and the wish that it was a more acceptable choice (and more easily available...)

In some ways it leaves those of us that are happy with the results in sort of an awkward position... At the same time we want to support others on their journey, I know I feel it is at least as important to talk anyone that isn't certain OUT of it...

Sometimes it feels a bit contradictory to be saying how great it is for me, but that maybe you shouldn't....

Remember when adults would ask you if your friend did something blatantly stupid, would you do it to?

("If Johnny cut his balls off, would you do it to?" - they just wouldn't understand if we said YES!)

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[Sakebigoe]

Ya, awkward position is right. Its definitely walking a tightrope, I want to help anyone I talk to make an informed decision. I'm always worried that if I'm too enthusiastic about this topic that I'll encourage the wrong person to make a very permanent mistake for themselves. If everyone in the world was like me I would have no problem telling them to go get castrated, and that they won't regret it, but not everyone is like me which is probably a good thing considering that would probably end the human race

Ya, I strongly suspect you're right, they wouldn't understand if we answered yes to that question and they definitely wouldn't expect an enthusiastic "fuck yes!"

[attis]

Yes.