Use of chastity cages as castration

[wanasoso2]

We may have the possibility to exchange on this topic. I remember a user in the EA2 about last summer or fall, testifying about the fact that he was looking for castration after years of chastity. Is he here now, I don’t know.

I discovered male chastity a few years ago and while in consultation with my sex therapist the topics came into the discussion. She told me that the use of chastity cages was consistent with psychological castration. At that time, I didn’t use them very often (the adaption curve is long) but from the more consistent use in the last six months I felt what she really meant.

I have to say that my use is basically to control masturbation and is rather oriented towards an attitude of castration compared to couples who use the device more as a sexual play or domination/submission. In this context, I must say that I feel it nice not to feel my cock while it’s trapped in a small cage (about one inch or less, depending on the model I use). I associated the “non feeling” of the penis and the serious reduction of erection to some kind of castration. Which could relate to the psychological castration explained by my sex therapist.

Although it’s very different by the fact that all my T is still there and my sexual drive active but not seeing and feeling the penis for days, and recently for weeks, brings in a strange feeling of wellness without it. Much less desire to play with it, considering it absent from my live. I think I’m experiencing an entry into the psychological castration. Is it possibly an adaptation step toward the complete fixing? Maybe.
Has anyone experienced something similar?
The discussion is open

[dandelion]

I'm curious about how you keep it clean? I suppose you'll have to take it off once a day at least when you shower?

Also how do you urinate? Do you use one of those cages that have a small catheter that inserts into your meatus? Have you had any urinary tract infection from using it?

And what about morning woods? With T still in play, I suppose you would still have that physiological reaction? Does it hurt?

[WheelyFixed]

Interesting question, thanks for asking it!

Most of the posts that I recall seeing about cages seemed more focused on the frustration / denial angle, and from a sex play / BDSM standpoint.
While the inability to play with it and / or get an erection, etc. certainly were mentioned, I didn't see it discussed as 'psychological castration', rather more as denying the ability to do a desired thing... (FWIW the same applies to most of the stories in the FA to the extent one can consider them as reflecting reality)

I'm also not getting the idea of 'non-feeling' - I no longer play with mine or do anything with it other than urination (catheterization) and hygiene / adjustment, as between being fixed and my injury it's about as thrilling as pulling on one of my fingers; but I'm very conscious of it or at least that area - I seem to get more awareness of that area than anywhere else below my injury level.

Not saying you or your shrink are wrong, but I have some trouble with understanding how you are describing it.

However I am looking forward to any other replies and discussion.

WheelyFixed

[Bibiballs]

Hello

Few years ago I've read a study about the use of male chastity device. It was written in French. 130 pages...

« Sexualité masculine contrôlée » : clé du désir ?
Le concept de « chasteté » : représentations, motivations, usages et effets du contrôle de la sexualité et de la cage de chasteté sur la vie sexuelle et affective

You maybe find it on the web.

[no-balls]

« Sexualité masculine contrôlée » : clé du désir ?

That was a fun Google. Perhaps I should learn to speak French to fully understand what Google's AI just told me.

[wanasoso2]

I'm curious about how you keep it clean? I suppose you'll have to take it off once a day at least when you shower?

Also how do you urinate? Do you use one of those cages that have a small catheter that inserts into your meatus? Have you had any urinary tract infection from using it?

And what about morning woods? With T still in play, I suppose you would still have that physiological reaction? Does it hurt?

For all the type of cage that have an open structure, actually those in steel, it's easy to get clean in the shower with soap and water pressure that goes through the open spots. There is also plastic cages that are open enough to ease the cleaning process. The one I wear nowadays is plastic with an honeycomb structure and after three days of shower I didn't open it, maybe tomorrow. Of course all closes cage must be open and wash more often if not daily.
I do have cages with catheter but I'm not at the level of confidence to use them for now. It's really a concern that urinary tract infections are easy to catch with this kind of device. Uninate is easy, there is a pee hole at the tip of the cage but you must be sitting because sometimes your pee hole is not perfectly in the right position and it's messy.

The morning woods it a major concern for chastity. It can pull hard in the ring and the pressure is transferred to the balls. With harder erection it can make strong Shaffer pain and some burns on the scrotum. One needs to get accustomed too and it can take a lot of time. For myself, my skin and my body is getting more and more adapted to it and my morning woods gives me only a small "donnuts" at the base of the ring, noting that pulls hard on the ball. and they go away as fast as they come. That's maybe some privilege of older age.

[wanasoso2]

Interesting question, thanks for asking it!

Most of the posts that I recall seeing about cages seemed more focused on the frustration / denial angle, and from a sex play / BDSM standpoint.
While the inability to play with it and / or get an erection, etc. certainly were mentioned, I didn't see it discussed as 'psychological castration', rather more as denying the ability to do a desired thing... (FWIW the same applies to most of the stories in the FA to the extent one can consider them as reflecting reality)

I'm also not getting the idea of 'non-feeling' - I no longer play with mine or do anything with it other than urination (catheterization) and hygiene / adjustment, as between being fixed and my injury it's about as thrilling as pulling on one of my fingers; but I'm very conscious of it or at least that area - I seem to get more awareness of that area than anywhere else below my injury level.

Not saying you or your shrink are wrong, but I have some trouble with understanding how you are describing it.

However I am looking forward to any other replies and discussion.

WheelyFixed

Thanks Wheely for your comments.
You're right many chastity practitioners belong to BDSM or D/s behavior and other sex play, but for myself, I'm more castration oriented. Which means that by controlling my erection, by not seeing my dick and not having access to it I feel it less. About the term "psychological castration" I use it from my discussion with my sex therapist but she didn't explain it to me in details and it was for me a vague concept until recently when I had this feeling of being castrated while I was caged. As for this morning, not really feeling my dick, except for the vague sensation of the cage and belt, it putted a smile on my face. Those a great mornings.
Also when my penis in not caged it is tucked all days and this stands for the last two years. I like the feeling of a smooth bottom. Otherwise when I'm in chastity I use the smallest possible cage to get rid of most of my dick. This way I push away the temptation to play with it all the time, at breakfast in the night and so on. It's in this behavior that I feel "castrated" even though I know that the absence of T is the "real thing" to get fixed. For now the guys that have been castrated to adapt to their sexless spouses are my mentors. I admire them.
I hope that those lines make my feeling better understood.

[wanasoso2]

Hello

Few years ago I've read a study about the use of male chastity device. It was written in French. 130 pages...

« Sexualité masculine contrôlée » : clé du désir ?
Le concept de « chasteté » : représentations, motivations, usages et effets du contrôle de la sexualité et de la cage de chasteté sur la vie sexuelle et affective

You maybe find it on the web.

Thank you for the information, I'll have a look at it. I do have read the e-book of Sylvia Labiche and also on the web you may find in English "Restart intimacy A Unique approach to male chastity" by Sierra Parker. There is also a lot of information on the web on the topics.

[wanasoso2]

« Sexualité masculine contrôlée » : clé du désir ?

That was a fun Google. Perhaps I should learn to speak French to fully understand what Google's AI just told me.

Have a look at Sierra Parker on the web, see my other post for the title. Also the blog of Sara Jameson. Sierra is more on the psychological side of the couple dynamics while Sara is more on the D/s relationship. For myself I prefer Sierra parker.

[no-balls]

Have a look at Sierra Parker on the web, see my other post for the title. Also the blog of Sara Jameson. Sierra is more on the psychological side of the couple dynamics while Sara is more on the D/s relationship. For myself I prefer Sierra parker.

I'll do that. Thanks for the advice. While chastity is not something I'm capable of submitting to, understanding the dynamics of denial help me understand the path I've taken to genital nullification. Curiously, having another person responsible for the key to my cock was something that gave me peace. I wasn't supposed to be male unless he allowed me to be male brought me to the acceptance that I didn't want to be male.

[wanasoso2]

Have a look at Sierra Parker on the web, see my other post for the title. Also the blog of Sara Jameson. Sierra is more on the psychological side of the couple dynamics while Sara is more on the D/s relationship. For myself I prefer Sierra parker.

I'll do that. Thanks for the advice. While chastity is not something I'm capable of submitting to, understanding the dynamics of denial help me understand the path I've taken to genital nullification. Curiously, having another person responsible for the key to my cock was something that gave me peace. I wasn't supposed to be male unless he allowed me to be male brought me to the acceptance that I didn't want to be male.

Please no-balls clarify this or I misunderstood. You said not capable of submitting but having your cock under key gave you peace. You did it or not? Or you did it without any submission (?) Which could then be similar to my situation. If it's the case I thank you very much for your comments, it enlighten me on my difficulty to express what I feel. It's four days now that I kept my cage closed even for cleanup with the power shower. It's the first time of my life that I didn't see my dick or touch it for that long. Still this morning I woke up with a smile thinking that I have no access to the noodle. Form what you said, from what I feel it seams that wearing a chastity device is like a practice of castration, a kind of "act as if..." If I feel good without seeing and touching my cock, and for a much longer period, it could be a signal that I'm in a good mood or in a serious journey toward castration. Could that be right? Was it the case for you?

[Bibiballs]

My advice is that is that putting your dick locked in a cage don't stop the testosterone.
It's just a device which can lead to chastity if someone else keep the key. So you know you have to wait and try to avoid thinking about sex meanwhile time.

[wanasoso2]

My advice is that is that putting your dick locked in a cage don't stop the testosterone.
It's just a device which can lead to chastity if someone else keep the key. So you know you have to wait and try to avoid thinking about sex meanwhile time.

Absolutely and that why it's psychological castration I think. A mental preparation to what may come in a more complete state of mind (without T).

[Patrick1962]

Je suis un adepte des cages de chasteté, j'en possède quelques modèles que je porte de temps en temps, le plus long que je l'ai portée c'est pendant 60 jours consécutifs en la retirant tous les 3 jours pour un nettoyage alors que j'aurais pus la laisser en permanence.
Je possède aussi une cage commandée à distance pour le verrouillage et le déverrouillage et pour des séances de décharges électriques sur le pénis. La comnande se fait au moyen d'une application et peut se faire dans le monde entier.

Le fait de porter une cage, me procure une sorte de soumission envers mon Maître et de mon partenaire. Pour le moment je ne la porte pas, je laisse un moment avant de remettre ma queue en cage.

Au plaisir de continuer à vous lire.
Amitiés
Patrick
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I'm a fan of chastity cages, I own a few models that I wear from time to time, the longest I've worn it was for 60 consecutive days removing it every 3 days for cleaning when I could have left it on permanently.
I also have a remote-controlled cage for locking and unlocking and for electric shock sessions on the penis. Ordering is done via an app and can be done anywhere in the world.

Wearing a cage gives me a kind of submission towards my Master and my partner. For the moment I'm not wearing it, I'll leave it on for a while before putting my cock back in the cage.

I look forward to continuing to read you.
Best regards
Patrick

[Bibiballs]

2 months in cage is a long time.
Did you take advantage of the cleaning time to masturbate your dick ?
Did you keeping the cage while sleeping ?

[Patrick1962]

Oui ce fût long, mais je l'ai très bien supportée, et lors du nettoyage de la cage, je n'avais pas le droit de me masturber.

Je la gardais pour dormir et lors des périodes de travail.
Certaines fois, j'ai changé de cage pour mettre la cage commandée à distance.
Merci pour vos commentaires et vos remarques.
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Yes, it took a long time, but I put up with it very well, and when cleaning the cage, I wasn't allowed to masturbate.

I kept it for sleeping and when I was working.
On some occasions, I switched to the remote-controlled cage.
Thank you for your comments and feedback.

[Bibiballs]

Peux tu décrire la progression de ton ressenti durant ces deux mois ? Dirais-tu qu'à un certain moment c'était une castration psychologique au point de ne plus penser au sexe ?

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Can you describe the progression of your feelings during these two months? Would you say that at a certain point it was a psychological castration to the point of no longer thinking about sex?

[Patrick1962]

Il est vrai que quand j'ai proposé à mon partenaire/Maître de me mettre en cage, j'avais envie de rester le plus longtemps en cage et de ne pas pouvoir me branler et de ne pas pouvoir me masturber.
Il est vrai que par moment j'ai eu des envies de me masturber et de retirer la cage. Il faut dire aussi que j'avais une clé pour pouvoir la retirer à tout moment si devait arriver un problème.
Il est vrai que c'est une sorte de castration psychologique, il m'arrivait aussi de ne plus penser à la cage et à mon pénis emprisonné.
Si je n'avais pas eu de problèmes d'irritations de la peau, je serai peut-être encore en cage à ce moment.
Mais je remettrai mon pénis en cage et je vais essayer de la garder le plus longtemps possible, tout en faisant la toilette et le nettoyage de la cage.
Merci pour vos commentaires.
Amitiés
Patrick

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It's true that when I proposed to my partner/Master to put me in a cage, I wanted to stay in the cage as long as possible and not be able to jerk off and not be able to masturbate.
It's true that at times I had the urge to masturbate and remove the cage. It's also true that I had a key so I could remove it at any time if anything went wrong.
It's true that it's a kind of psychological castration, and I sometimes stopped thinking about the cage and my imprisoned penis.
If I hadn't had problems with skin irritations, I might still be in the cage at this point.
But I will put my penis back in the cage and I will try to keep it there as long as possible, while doing the grooming and cleaning of the cage.
Thank you for your comments.
Best regards
Patrick

[no-balls]

Have a look at Sierra Parker on the web, see my other post for the title. Also the blog of Sara Jameson. Sierra is more on the psychological side of the couple dynamics while Sara is more on the D/s relationship. For myself I prefer Sierra parker.

I'll do that. Thanks for the advice. While chastity is not something I'm capable of submitting to, understanding the dynamics of denial help me understand the path I've taken to genital nullification. Curiously, having another person responsible for the key to my cock was something that gave me peace. I wasn't supposed to be male unless he allowed me to be male brought me to the acceptance that I didn't want to be male.

Please no-balls clarify this or I misunderstood. You said not capable of submitting but having your cock under key gave you peace. You did it or not? Or you did it without any submission (?) Which could then be similar to my situation. If it's the case I thank you very much for your comments, it enlighten me on my difficulty to express what I feel. It's four days now that I kept my cage closed even for cleanup with the power shower. It's the first time of my life that I didn't see my dick or touch it for that long. Still this morning I woke up with a smile thinking that I have no access to the noodle. Form what you said, from what I feel it seams that wearing a chastity device is like a practice of castration, a kind of "act as if..." If I feel good without seeing and touching my cock, and for a much longer period, it could be a signal that I'm in a good mood or in a serious journey toward castration. Could that be right? Was it the case for you?

I can't submit to chastity anymore because you can't cage something that isn't there.

When I still had junk, I told my then-partner I'd like to try long-term chastity. After a couple of failure cages, we chose an inverted cage that pushed my cock into my abdomen, flat against my crotch. It had a short tube in my urethra which allowed me to pee without making a mess. The tube also made it impossible to remove without unlocking it. I wore it for months at a time. Because denial works best when you don't have a choice, I had him keep the key.

The chastity we practiced wasn't enough complete as I had exposed balls. It did, upon reflection, give me a test drive. I didn't feel denied. I felt peace. I felt comfortable. I had a cock... but I didn't. We had a great sex life. He had a big cock and I had a hole.

At the time, my partner probably understood better that I'd be better off without junk.

Many years later, still ambivalent about my junk, I took to destroying my balls with injections. Once they were shriveled, irregular and hard, I presented to a urologist and was castrated. Later I went back to the same urologist and explained I still didn't feel complete. He referred me to a therapist and I had psych letter one that same afternoon. I worked longer with a second therapist to better understand myself. I had psych letter two that permitted me to proceed to surgery to be nullified.

[Jon246]

An interesting topic and something that I hadn’t thought about before. I too was locked up from time to time before my my own castration, as part of BDSM. I always just associated it with denial, control (by the other party) and submission - or more generally BDSM. Obviously since I was “fixed” it’s both unnecessary and impossible to use these devices - you do need balls after all for them to stay in place.

[wanasoso2]

Pursuing my experience with chastity cages it become obvious that it help me better feel what could be life without a dick.
Actually in my last two periods of chastity, just around ten days each, in the Christmas and new year times and in the last week, I used a flat cage and now an Holly Trainer nub (which is very small). With those "enclosed" tube you never feel the penis and after a few days it's like living without it.
I will go on like this for a while to see how my feeling evolve. For now it gives me the impression that I no longer have a dick and I feel very happy like that. It seems that the experience is like a test for a diskless life. My big surprise is that I like it very much. I'll see for the future.
The cage is also very helpful to get away from masturbation. Being in an enclosed cage is helpful to get rid of a bad habit. Last jerk off Nov 19th.

[WheelyFixed]

Thank you for sharing this experience, though it does somewhat what LT used to say back on EAv2 that there was no really good 'test drive' method for trying what nullification is like. I have no experience either way, so can't venture an opinion, however at the very least it seems like it is better than nothing.

Presumably (and somewhat speculating here) since chastity alone wouldn't stop T production, to really do a good simulation one might need to combine it with some form of chemical castration in order to get as close as possible to what a full nullo experience would be like.

WheelyFixed

[wanasoso2]

One of these days this will be one of my next goal I guess.

[WheelyFixed]

One of these days this will be one of my next goal I guess.

Certainly not trying to push you into it, as always wait until you are really sure! But if you do take the step it will be interesting to know how well chastity actually does match the nullo experience...

WheelyFixed

[Friotler7]

We may have the possibility to exchange on this topic. I remember a user in the EA2 about last summer or fall, testifying about the fact that he was looking for castration after years of chastity. Is he here now, I don’t know.

I discovered male chastity a few years ago and while in consultation with my sex therapist the topics came into the discussion. She told me that the use of chastity cages was consistent with psychological castration. At that time, I didn’t use them very often (the adaption curve is long) but from the more consistent use in the last six months I felt what she really meant.

I have to say that my use is basically to control masturbation and is rather oriented towards an attitude of castration compared to couples who use the device more as a sexual play or domination/submission. In this context, I must say that I feel it nice not to feel my cock while it’s trapped in a small cage (about one inch or less, depending on the model I use). I associated the “non feeling” of the penis and the serious reduction of erection to some kind of castration. Which could relate to the psychological castration explained by my sex therapist.

Although it’s very different by the fact that all my T is still there and my sexual drive active but not seeing and feeling the penis for days, and recently for weeks, brings in a strange feeling of wellness without it. Much less desire to play with it, considering it absent from my live. I think I’m experiencing an entry into the psychological castration. Is it possibly an adaptation step toward the complete fixing? Maybe.
Has anyone experienced something similar?



The discussion is open

I like chastity devices, but that's only a kink and I normally don't go more than one day with it. It's horrible to use at work. Hypothetically, it could give a sense of castration, but it depends on how you deal with it. I believe It's much more likely to make one get even more sexual, since he'll always stay with something in his genitals. Hormone production won't stop nevertheless.

I heard of two gay guys that the extended use of those devices, specially the inverted cages, can cause permanent damage for the penis, making it dysfunctional and shrink. I don't know if that's a trustworthy information, considering that there are important psychological effects on that matter that personal experience won't gather.